Relationship with God - Understanding Your Emotional Self Session 3


Relationship With God:

Understanding Your Emotional Self


Jesus (AJ Miller)

Session 3

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This ebook is a transcript of a seminar delivered by Jesus (AJ Miller) on 25th May 2014 in Kentucky, New South Wales, Australia, as part of the Relationship with God series. In this seminar Jesus describes how being emotional is not a process, but rather the destination for soul growth. Jesus describes false definitions of progression, gives indications of true progression, and explains the concept of trapped emotions and the processes of forgiveness and repentance.

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Table of Contents

Understanding Your Emotional Self Session 3 Part 1

1. Introduction

2. Being emotional is not a process but the actual destination

3. Participants’ experiences with practicing being more emotional

3.1. An example of a participant being emotionally open to different degrees with different people

3.2. Societal viewpoints on intense emotional experiences

3.3. An example of a participant who is spirit influenced due to her wanting to avoid emotions

3.4. An example of a participant who is afraid of being emotionally overwhelmed

3.4.1. The importance of engaging will in becoming emotional

4. Being emotional is not a process but the actual destination (continued)

4.1. An example of a participant getting frustrated with his resistance to being emotional

5. Being emotional is essential for forming a relationship with God or any other person

6. Knowledge is only possible when we become emotional

7. Everything we think may be wrong

8. Fear is the major reason for the avoidance of being emotional

9. False definitions of progression

9.1. Thinking progression a “process”

9.2. Thinking we know things we have not experienced

9.3. Analysing Law of Attraction events with the mind without emotional understanding or connection

9.4. Thinking we are more loving without having an emotional release of unloving feelings

9.5. Differences between God’s and our parents’ definition of true progression

9.6. True progression from God’s perspective

9.7. Thinking we know things we have not felt

9.8. Thinking we have felt things that we have not felt

9.9. Feeling emotionless towards situations

9.10. Having intellectual realisations without accompanying emotional experiences

9.11. Thinking we know things we have not experienced (continued)

9.12. Thinking we are more loving without having an emotional release of unloving feelings (continued)

9.13. Analysing Law of Attraction events with the mind without emotional understanding or connection (continued)

9.14. Incorrectly identifying injuries, love or truth and not understanding the truth of events or our own condition

9.14.1. An illustration of forgiveness and repentance

9.15. If we are thinking growth, when we are placed in a difficult situation we will revert to our own historical unloving behaviour and feelings unless we exert an extreme force of our own will

10. Indications of true progression

10.1. Automatically becoming more loving and truthful

10.2. Being engaged in true passions and desires

10.3. Taking personal responsibility

10.4. Emotionally experiencing events

10.5. Taking action

10.6. Attractions change

10.6.1. Feeling fear about lack of progress

10.7. Identifying more truth about our true condition

10.8. Becoming more emotional

10.9. Receiving God’s Love

10.10. Having more and more loving emotions

10.11. Feeling and expressing feelings and emotions one hundred percent of the time

10.12. Responding to events, people and truth in an emotional way

Understanding Your Emotional Self Session 3 Part 2

11. Continuation of Indications of true progression

11.1. Becoming more emotional (continued)

11.2. Discovering the truth of our childhood and current life through feeling emotions

11.3. Understanding everything emotionally

11.3.1. Receiving information about others from spirits

11.4. Allowing the release of unloving emotions without acting upon them

11.5. True progression is measured internally

11.5.1. Growing in faith

11.5.2. Being able to determine our own progression

12. Understanding trapped emotions

12.1. All trapped emotions have an age

12.1.1. Each time we were treated unlovingly, and then suppressed from feeling, the emotion was trapped at the age that the suppression occurred

12.1.2. Each time we undertook an action out of harmony with God’s Love, the compensation emotions entered us at the age the action was undertaken

13. Understanding forgiveness and repentance

13.1. Repenting for addictive relationships

13.1.1. An example of a relationship breakup

13.2. Repentance and forgiveness with parents

13.2.1. An example of interacting with a father who’s dying

13.3. Repentance and forgiveness with children

13.4. An example of a participant experiencing her mother’s emotions about her father

13.4.1. Avoiding emotions about a terrifying mother

13.5. Repentance and forgiveness emotions are trapped at an age

13.6. Effects of giving children unrestrained will on repentance and forgiveness

13.6.1. Repentance, forgiveness and free will

13.7. Repentance and forgiveness emotions are trapped at an age (continued)

13.7.1. An example of repenting for addictive partner relationships

13.7.2. An example of parents’ attitudes towards adult children

13.8. Summary of the discussion about forgiveness and repentance

13.9. An example of a participant who is confronted by the material

13.9.1. Stages in emotional progression

13.9.2. Emotional reasons for the participant judging herself when she receives new truth

13.10. Compassion and understanding through forgiveness and repentance

14. Closing words

15. Seminar outline

Understanding Your Emotional Self Session 3 Part 1

1. Introduction

Jesus: This week we’re going to continue with our discussion that we started last time we were here, which is all about “Relationship with God” and “Understanding Your Emotional Self” (see “20140208 Relationship With God – Understanding Your Emotional Self S1” and “20140209 Relationship With God – Understanding Your Emotional Self S2”). So you could call this session “Relationship With God – Understanding Your Emotional Self Session 3”, and tomorrow will be Session 4.

The session today is going to first revolve around reminding you about some basic principles from our last two discussions in February, and then what we would like to do is present some more material on the subject of emotions and understanding your emotional self, and how it impacts upon the relationship with God.

Now tomorrow, if we don’t get all of the material that I’d like to cover done today, then what we’ll do is we’ll present some of that material tomorrow as well. But tomorrow we want to focus more on your questions and answers. In other words, answering questions about understanding your emotional self, personally, that’s what we’d like to cover more today.

What I would like you to do with your questions today, if you could focus them more upon the subject material that we’re presenting, and questions that you have about that material specifically. Then tomorrow what I would like is for you to ask questions about your emotional self from a personal perspective, and we can discuss more of those kinds of questions for those of you who are here tomorrow.

“Understanding Your Emotional Self”: let’s do a bit of revision. What can you remember from the last presentation we did on the subject? Nothing? (Laughter) Carina wasn’t here, but she might remember something.

2. Being emotional is not a process but the actual destination

Participant Female: We need to be one hundred percent emotional self and it’s not focusing on the process, but that is the destination.

Jesus: Okay, so that was the important point, wasn’t it? It’s not a process of going through emotions, but rather becoming an emotional being, which is completely different from each other, isn’t it? So it’s not a process, and by that what we’re saying is that becoming an emotional being is the destination and that’s a very important thing to remember, isn’t it?

How did you go over the last three months experimenting with that? Did you attempt to experiment with that at all? Mixed for some of you? Any personal feelings about trying to experiment with that? Can you see how shut down we are to being that? We sort of treat emotions as if it’s something that is an aberration in our life, rather than something that should be occurring all the time in our life.

3. Participants’ experiences with practicing being more emotional

3.1. An example of a participant being emotionally open to different degrees with different people

Participant Female: I find it pretty interesting how afraid I am of my own emotional expression, like how much fear, and how many false beliefs, and how much is tied up in stuff, and also the difference between different people.

Jesus: So when you’re with some kinds of people you’re more emotionally expressive, and then when you’re with others it’s totally different?

Participant Female: And really attempting with the ones I found really hard to be more open. Then found out some pretty, what I feel, judged quite harshly, things about myself in those situations, because of how I become.

Jesus: Did you work out in that process why you shut down yourself so much with those people?

Participant Female: Some of them.

Jesus: And could you see the relationship between their projection at you about your emotions and you shutting down your emotions?

Participant Female: No. What I kind of realised often was that I was projecting stuff at them that wasn’t necessarily from them. It was just that certain things …

Jesus: So you believed they would do certain things that they didn’t do?

Participant Female: Yes and it was like exposed in me, especially with women, about things that I am expecting from my mum that have happened all the time, and so now I just go, “Every woman is going to potentially be like that.”

Jesus: Yes, so there’s a belief now, inside of yourself emotionally, that every woman who’s a certain type of woman will respond in that way towards you.

Participant Female: Yes and those are who I attract and so it was quite interesting then to realise that, and then the projections from the – I kind of tried to focus more on what was coming out of me, and did I really want to love my sisters or not? And for a while, I didn’t and I have to say it’s touch and go at times.

Jesus: Yes, no worries, so you started to see the relationship between you shutting down your emotions with different people. Sometimes it was about your beliefs about them, and also I point out to you, probably that you haven’t reflected on, that sometimes it’s about their projections at you. Once you start allowing yourself to be emotionally sensitive, you start realising what’s actually going on and you start feeling the truth of most interactions much better.

Participant Female: And that was something I noticed. Like what you said about how our perception of everything is completely false and we have no idea. I would take an action, and then something else would happen, or I’d have a tiny cry, or I’d go and talk to God about it. And after that, it was like, oh hold on, I could at least feel my stuff in that. And it was kind of clearer, and I didn’t have that same crap going on for that person anymore. It’s like, oh okay, I could see that.

Jesus: You could see a lot of it’s coming out of you or out of your beliefs, yes, which are all emotional.

Participant Female: Yes, which is great.

Jesus: Yes, that’s good. Anyone else like to make some other comments?

3.2. Societal viewpoints on intense emotional experiences

Participant Female: I just noticed in myself the desire to run away, rather than face the music.

Jesus: How many of you noticed that after the session, a desire to run away from your emotions, yes? It’s a very common thing, isn’t it?

Participant Female: No, I’ve been working on that one, but I feel even after last night I still have that desire to just disappear, and fade into oblivion.

Jesus: Yes, could you feel your fear about emotion?

Participant Female: Yes.

Jesus: In amongst your fears about emotion are a whole heap of false beliefs about emotion and unfortunately the world we live in all generally has this same level of false beliefs about emotion. It’s interesting when we talk to media people or talk to people being interviewed, because most of them accuse me of manipulating other people’s emotions – they’re so afraid of it.

Participant Female: One thing I really noticed in myself is that I have that same feeling even in joy and when I’m sharing. So it’s really strange, because you’d think that that would be the time you’d want to stick around and actually for me, it’s not.

Jesus: No, unfortunately it’s not. We are so judgmental of any emotions beyond a certain norm – that’s reality – you could say there’s a certain level of pessimism, and then there’s a certain level of optimism that we allow in normal society, what we call normal society. Now, anybody who swings beyond either the normal level of pessimism or optimism, that’s the not allowed emotion.

Society allows a small range of emotional experiences between neutral and optimism, but once emotion goes beyond those levels (shaded areas in the graph above), it is considered unacceptable.

Participant Female: So it’s like, if I was feeling really happy, I’d pull back on that, I could feel myself because it didn’t seem safe to be really happy when someone else wasn’t being happy; yes, just what you were saying. I was observing that a lot.

Jesus: Yes and can you see how this even relates to medical practice and all sorts of things? A person who is really, really happy is thought to be sort of manic, or over the top – and sometimes they are, sometimes they are influenced by spirits to do that, but other times it is a real state. Then the person who’s lower than just what the average person is, we call that depression, and then we need to medicate people on both ends of the spectrum.

Participant Female: I also find that with certain people that it’s like they don’t like giving me permission to be anything other than bubbly and wonderful.

Jesus: Correct.

Participant Female: I was observing that as well. If I happened to say, “Well, things weren’t absolutely wonderful today,” in some cases, certainly not in all, I noticed that there wasn’t a permission – I didn’t feel a permission to be like that.

Jesus: Yes so anything above the neutral zone of emotion, some people will not just let you go there and then other people will not let you go to anything below the neutral zone of emotion.

Participant Female: But I think it’s equally I won’t let myself go there either.

Jesus: Well, it all begins with what other people will allow, and your fear of what other people will allow. That’s why you don’t do it for yourself. For example, in your childhood you weren’t allowed to go into any sort of negative emotion, say maybe grief or something like that – so what we’re taught is that we’re not allowed to go there.

I find it quite interesting watching movies sometimes nowadays, everyone has all this built-up emotion, even in the movies, and they never allow themselves to experience it. They just need to have a big cry, and nobody wants to have a big cry, even in the movies; nobody wants to have a big cry, let alone in real life. I find that that’s really quite interesting in a lot of ways, because the movies often reflect our lives, in terms of what we allow as a society and we often do not allow the expression of any emotion beyond what we classify as the norm.

Now, that all began way, way back in our childhood; that all began in our childhood. And it was all stuff that we need to undo if we’re ever going to be in this emotional place with God.

3.3. An example of a participant who is spirit influenced due to her wanting to avoid emotions

Participant Female: I was going to say … sorry I can’t speak. I’m just feeling something.

Jesus: Yes, one thing I notice happen quite a lot when we start talking about emotions is you often get spirit influenced into speaking or not speaking. Even the sensitivity to spirit control is often demonstrated by discussions about emotion, because a lot of spirits don’t want you to talk about certain things that you might become aware of in the process – that also occurs.

Participant Female: I’ve become more aware of seeing what I’ve created and being able to see how strong the false beliefs are, how strongly they’re affecting me and being able to see through those a little bit and realising the effect of spirits on me, my opening to spirits, and then seeing how I can change. Some of that effect – it’s taken me a very long time and still is.

Jesus: Do you see that every bit of spirit influence is actually driven by an emotion you don’t want to feel? So we can’t really blame the spirits for influencing us when we’re in a place of wanting to avoid a whole heap of emotions and, of course, they will then manipulate those emotions, just like anyone on Earth would probably manipulate the same emotions.

Participant Female: Sometimes it takes me quite some time. I can recognise that that’s what’s happening to me, but it can take me really quite some time to get out of that state. And I have to really pray, like, scream …

Jesus: Well the only way to get permanently out of the state is to actually work through the emotion that causes the state and you’re not willing to do that at this point. So of course, you then go to God and pray to God, “Please help me out of this state,” and so forth, but you’re not yet really wanting to get into the emotion that causes the state. If you got into the emotion that caused the state, then you’d rapidly get out of the state, and you wouldn’t go back to it because once the emotion is gone, there’s no opening to have that influence anymore.

Participant Female: Yes, I think I’m seeing it from different angles. So sometimes I feel, “Oh, I can let myself feel that,” first of all with intellectual recognition, but then sometimes I feel that I have gotten through that a couple of times and write a letter to myself because a light bulb goes on. But, yes, I don’t have it in a consistent way. There is something I’m still not understanding.

Jesus: Well, this is where you’ve got to be very careful and this is something I want to talk with you all today about what you convince yourself you’ve already dealt with. See, to me, anything that’s inconsistent means you haven’t dealt with it. I don’t go, “Oh, one day it’s like this, and the other day it’s the opposite, so that means on that day I dealt with it.” No, you haven’t dealt with it. You haven’t dealt with it at all if it’s inconsistent like that. Once you deal with something permanently in your soul, there’s no inconsistency anymore – none. If there is inconsistency, it is directly because of you not having found the real cause of the problem emotionally.

3.4. An example of a participant who is afraid of being emotionally overwhelmed

Participant Female: Mine was a bit similar to Susan’s (the participant who was afraid to feel emotions more intense than the societal norm). But for the past three months I’m just getting to the point of recognising the fear of getting overwhelmed. Like, praying about it, the overwhelm starts to come up, and then I’m left with the false belief, and also the images that I get shown of like my sternum’s going to crack or – it’s like a physical, like I’m going to get overwhelmed, and something’s going to, like, snap.

Jesus: Something’s going to break.

Participant Female: Yes, and then I sit there and I go, “My heart is not going to break, my sternum …” And it feels like it’s a physical hurt that I’m small and the emotion is too big, and something is going to break.

Jesus: Yes and they are all false beliefs, obviously. God created you with the ability to feel every emotion that’s stored within you right now, so the fact that it’s in you means you can feel it.

Participant Female: My question would be, though, it’s because in that moment I do hear you say that but intellectually I feel it’s impossible and I’m understanding that it is literally impossible. So the next question that I ask myself is why do I fervently want to hold on to these false beliefs when it’s completely illogical? There’s no person on the planet that’s ever cracked a sternum or broken their heart from feeling. It’s like, what is my investment when I’m so unhappy holding on to this emotion, when I could just let it overwhelm me and feel such release?

Jesus: The investment is your fear. You’re afraid of some things that you don’t want to address or deal with.

Participant Female: It’s not just the fear of being overwhelmed, there are all the other sets of fears.

Jesus: Correct, there’s fear that your life might change; there’s fear that all your relationships will change; and the reality is they will, and your life will – that’s the reality. If you address things emotionally, everything in your life will change from where it is today. Many of you don’t want that even if it changes to the better, many of you don’t want that because you’re so afraid of better, and you don’t really trust that better is a possibility. There’s little trust and faith in God; you don’t believe God’s good; you don’t believe God’s Universe is good – or not going to be good to you at least – and so of course, there are all these false beliefs and fears, that are all fear-based.

Participant Female: So while I’m thinking that false belief is sort of deeper, it’s actually capping, right up on the surface.

Jesus: Correct, most of our fears are right up on the surface: we just try to ignore them; we use techniques and addictions to ignore them. That’s why we create addictions: is to ignore all of our fears. The only way to get through them is by feeling the fear emotionally and most of us don’t want to do that. That’s the main feeling we don’t wish to feel – fear.

Fear is a hard feeling to feel but it’s not impossible to feel. It’s just a feeling, like every other feeling; it’s not impossible to feel but for most of us we believe it’s impossible to feel, and we’ve been taught that’s it’s impossible to feel. You think about your parents – both of them probably taught you that it’s impossible to feel fear, impossible to release fear. They acted like it was impossible to release fear in their day-to-day life: that’s how they taught you. If you think about your parents, Laura, your dad acted like that, and your mum acted like that, so of course you then believe it’s impossible internally – it’s a belief and you’re going to have to go through that belief, as an emotion.

3.4.1. The importance of engaging will in becoming emotional

Participant Female: And that physical pain is because of the emotions that are underneath that not wanting to come out. So that the resistance …?

Jesus: All right, see what you do. Do the emotions want to come out?

Participant Female: I’m sure that they’re created to come out, but I’m stopping them.

Jesus: No, see, whenever you say, “The emotions inside of me don’t want to come out …”

Participant Female: Oh, I know, I don’t want them …

Jesus: What have you just done?

Participant Female: Yes, taken the power away from my will.

Jesus: Okay, you’re basically saying you’re not responsible for the emotions coming out.

Participant Female: Yes.

Jesus: You are, and this is one of your false beliefs: you want somebody else to be responsible for the emotions coming out of you; you don’t want to have to take responsibility, personally, for them to come out of you. This is all based around some unfairness that exists within you, feelings that somebody else put them there, so somebody else should take them away. That’s anger and there’s an unwillingness to feel that anger.

You feel that somebody else put them there, so somebody else should take them away. You shouldn’t have to do it and whenever you say, “They’re not ready to come out,” all you’re doing is suggesting that it’s got nothing to do with your own will, and it’s got everything to do with your own will and that’s something we’re going to discuss today.

Actually understanding your emotional self, one of the things you’re going to need to understand in that place is how to use your will: it’s a very big part of that.

Mary and I gave a talk a couple of years ago at Murgon, it wasn’t really a talk, it was more on an interview, about free will (see 20120421 The Human Soul – The Gift Of Free Will). In that talk, the majority of people in the audience found it very difficult to listen to that talk because the majority of us find it very, very difficult to engage positively our own will; we want somebody else to come and fix things for us.

Why do you think the Christian faith has had so much success with the concept that Jesus died for your sins? Because you don’t have to do anything and most people on Earth don’t want to have to do anything; they want somebody else to do it for them – that’s what they want. When you say things like, ‘The emotion is not ready,” you’re just saying, basically, you have no understanding of your own will because the emotion will come out when you are desirous of the emotion coming out – that’s when it comes – it doesn’t come under any other circumstances and that’s a part of understanding it, too – the emotional self.

4. Being emotional is not a process but the actual destination (continued)

Jesus: Okay, now what else did we discuss last time we got together? Can you remember?

Participant Male: We talked about when you feel the emotion, that’s the emotion to work on in that moment; it’s being present with that emotion that’s there.

Jesus: Yes, so once we threw out the idea that we’re going through an emotional process, and we come to acknowledge that it’s not an emotional process, we are becoming emotional beings: in other words, it’s what we’re going to end up in as a state, we’re going to be emotional.

Can you see automatically that changes your focus, doesn’t it? When you come to feeling emotion, under those circumstances you wouldn’t go, “Oh, I just want to be over this emotion.” Now the majority of us are still doing that when you think about it, aren’t we? When a negative emotion comes up, what’s the feeling you have? “I just want to be over this.” Whereas a person who is in the true state at the soul level, understanding their own emotional self, would say, “I want to go through this,” rather than be over this.

4.1. An example of a participant getting frustrated with his resistance to being emotional

Participant Male: As to being emotional, I find that I get frustrated when I’m not emotional. In saying that though, when I do get to the state of emotions, I feel as well that I have a lot of blockages and resistance in that and I also get frustrated in that, too, not understanding how to work through that.

Jesus: What’s frustration?

Participant Male: It’s an anger.

Jesus: It’s an anger, Yes, very good and what’s anger?

Participant Male: Frustration. (Laughter)

Jesus: It’s an emotion, isn’t it?

When you feel frustration, you’re not allowing yourself to feel anger. Now, if you’re frustrated, generally, who are you frustrated with?

Participant Male: Myself.

Jesus: Yourself, so it’s anger with yourself that you need to let yourself feel. Why are you so angry with yourself?

Participant Male: No idea.

Jesus: Why is anybody angry with themselves? Do you think? Anybody have an idea?

Participant Male: I found I’m generally angry with myself when I have expectations of myself to be reaching certain goals, or something like that – I have a lot of judgement around that.

Jesus: And why would you have those expectations?

Participant Male: To meet other people’s expectations.

Jesus: Of course, at some point, somebody else had to tell you that those expectations were realistic; somebody had to train you into that. When you’re angry with yourself, really what you’re doing is blaming yourself for what somebody else taught you.

You’d be far better off thinking about what they taught you, or feeling about what they taught you would be even better than blaming yourself for what they taught you. It’s not your fault that you were taught these things. Whenever you get angry with yourself about it, you’re really saying it’s all your fault that you got taught these things and that you’re now in that state and that is a self-deception emotion.

You can stay in that state of anger and frustration with yourself for years and years and years. You’re doing it because you don’t want to have an internal sense of who is responsible for this state. The people responsible for that state are the people who taught you to have that state, who taught you to blame yourself, who taught you to attack yourself, and who taught you to treat yourself badly and as a result, they are the people that you’re unwilling to feel about.

There’s a reason; you’re afraid. You’re afraid to feel about what other people have done to you, and so you would rather blame yourself and that’s really all that getting frustrated with yourself is: it’s just blaming yourself for something that somebody else taught you to do to yourself.

It’s not very fair, is it, if you think about it. It’s like me treating Mary badly, so I’m abusive to her, and then I also tell her that she’s to blame for me being abusive to her and then she comes to believe that, so she now blames herself whenever I’m abusive to her. It doesn’t feel very fair to Mary, does it? Wouldn’t it be better if she recognised that I’m the abusive person, and I’m the one who did these bad things to her, and that all she needs to do is feel her grief about that? That would be a better course of action.

In our upcoming assistance groups, we’re going to be looking at a lot of these kinds of dynamics where we often blame ourselves in preference to actually placing the responsibility for what we were taught onto the person who taught us.

Now God always places the responsibility of what we were taught onto the person who taught you and for most of us, that’s our parents; mostly it’s our parents who taught us to shut down emotionally; they taught us how to do it. They physically enforced it, generally, through violence, or at least through verbal and emotional attack and then we grow up blaming ourselves for what they did. That’s not very fair.

We’ll talk a little bit today about what’s fair for our inner-child, if you like and I don’t like using that term that much because, really, we are who we are, which includes all of our childlike and hurt child emotions but we’re going to discuss a bit about the hurt child today and getting in contact with the hurt child.

5. Being emotional is essential for forming a relationship with God or any other person

Jesus: Okay, so is there anything else you can remember from our discussion? I’ve got the notes here, so it makes it easier.

Participant Female: If we don’t become an emotional being, we won’t be able to have a relationship with God or we won’t be able to have a relationship with anyone, or anything at all.

Jesus: Correct, this is very, very important thing, isn’t it? The “Way” is only possible if we’re emotional; the way to God, the way to yourself, the way to any relationship is only possible if you become an emotional being, all the time.

When you think about it, that makes sense, doesn’t it, from a logical perspective. How do you know someone who’s just a blank emotional page? You don’t get anything from them emotionally; they don’t receive anything from you emotionally; they’re just detuned emotionally. Do you feel like having a relationship with that kind of person? Generally not, unless you’re exactly the same, you probably wouldn’t want a relationship with that person.

Can you imagine living with your partner, and they don’t either like you, or dislike you; they are completely ambivalent towards you. They don’t want to have sex with you, but they don’t not want to have sex with you. They have no real passions and desires. They have no longing for your love, or for receiving it. Why would you be with them? Can you see it’s pointless having a relationship with such a person, isn’t it? Because you’re not really having a relationship, you’re just having a cohabitation. No emotion is flowing.

Once emotions flow, now we’re beginning to have a real relationship of some kind. Every relationship in our entire Universe is going to have to become emotional in its nature at some point and that even includes our relationship with the environment that we have around us, in fact. We will have feelings for our environment, which our environment will be able to feel.

Now our environment might not have a soul – the only people who have souls are human – but we can also sense the environment’s distress. We can sense its pain and that’s what also causes us then to become sensitive to the environment and what we’re doing to it. So even that won’t happen without some emotional connection.

6. Knowledge is only possible when we become emotional

Jesus: What else did we discuss? Can you remember, similar along that vein? How has God designed the Universe with regard to knowledge?

Participant Female: The more of God’s Love you receive and the greater you do, the more knowledge just comes to you automatically.

Jesus: Okay, so can we say then that we will not be knowledgeable until we learn to become emotional?

Participant Female: And didn’t we talk a bit about the intellect, about how – and this just hit me – especially women, all of us, are trying so hard to be intellectual and are trained in this way, when actually our true nature’s are emotional?

Jesus: Yes.

Participant Female: And so we’re very far off from whom we really are.

Jesus: Correct, anything else you can remember from last discussion?

7. Everything we think may be wrong

Participant Female: I bought a book called “Don’t Believe Everything You Think”, which follows on from that last point.

Jesus: (Laughter) That’s a good book, isn’t it?

Participant Female: And I kind of realised pretty much everything I think is this construction, and we also have to be real with God and with everyone else, rather than trying to be something that we’re not yet.

Jesus: Remember we spoke about your thoughts being totally distorted by all of your unhealed emotions and belief systems that are all emotional. That is a very important fact, isn’t it, that we need to bear in mind – that it is true that what we think is not often very real at all.

Participant Female: And that frustration that I don’t want to be the person that I am now, but I have to embrace that I am that way.

Jesus: Correct.

Participant Female: There are unloving things about me, and I destroy the environment around me, because I don’t want to feel them.

Jesus: Correct, if we’re ever going to get to a state of humility, we have to acknowledge all of the emotions that are within us at this point in time: the majority of us don’t do that. We try to deny that we have a whole heap of negative things going on inside of us and we only accept we have a whole heap of other things, things that are actually, many times, just our facade, that are not even real. We often are telling ourselves a whole heap of messages, intellectually, that are completely the opposite to our true emotional feelings about ourselves and others.

Participant Female: And the worst thing is a lot of those things, I think, that were good about me, are actually just huge addictions, and projections at other people.

Jesus: And sometimes it’s also the opposite – a lot of the things you feel are bad about you are actually, from God’s perspective, good and we have a complete distortion about all of that. Remember we said that most of us have no idea about anything in life, really, at all, basically.

Participant Female: Yes, I got that.

Jesus: Because we’re totally detuned from our emotional self, we don’t really know anything and you can’t actually know anything until you have experienced it emotionally, you can’t really know anything. You can parrot Divine Truth, and many of us have gotten to do this pattern with Divine Truth of parroting it but we’re not feeling it and if you’re not feeling it, you don’t know it, so what’s the point of parroting it. You’re just like a parrot, “Hello Cocky. Hello Cocky”. You know, that kind of thing is the kind of thing we’re really doing with Divine Truth. “Love, truth and humility …” you know, “Love truth and humility …” but that’s the parrot of Divine Truth but it’s not feeling it. To feel it you’ve got to go through the emotions involved and that takes a lot more effort and desire to do that, and a lot more exercise of your will.

Okay, so that was basically everything we think maybe wrong and I say, “may” because it may not, too – you don’t know; you don’t know until you’ve gone through the emotional experience, and you’ve actually worked out what is right and what is wrong, through the experience.

8. Fear is the major reason for the avoidance of being emotional

Jesus: Now, at the end of the discussion, three months ago I think it is now, many of you felt more motivated to actually start looking at your emotions more sincerely. Is that not true? Yet many of you haven’t done that in the last three months. Why is that, do you think? We were motivated to feel more about what’s really going on in our life, and to focus more on our emotions, and yet many of us haven’t done that, really. What causes us to avoid actually going into it, even when we know we need to? What’s the main thing?

Audience: Fear.

Jesus: Fear. Okay, so you start seeing the emotion of fear is our major impediment to growth and unless you feel the emotion of fear, it will not leave you.

Now a problem that I feel most people have is that we want to ask question after question after question after question after question, and what are our questions really attempting to do? They’re really attempting to alleviate our fear but the only way to really alleviate fear is by releasing fear and that’s what we’re unwilling to do. We can talk and give answers and talk and give answers and talk and give answers till AJ’s blue in his face and at the end of the day, it makes no difference to your progression unless you’re willing to feel your fear.

Now sometimes giving answers may help you work through the emotions associated with why you don’t want to feel fear, but unless it does that, then even answering questions is pointless. We’d be better off just giving you a standard answer: “Fear – feel it.” “Fear – feel it.” You ask a question about how is the Universe created like this: “Fear – feel it.” Because most of the answers are not going to enter your soul unless it’s an emotional experience, and the emotion of fear prevents you from accepting the truth on these subjects.

Can you see in the end that part of coming to understand your emotional self is going to very much revolve around coming to desire to feel your fear? That’s a very different place than forcing yourself to feel your fear and that’s a very different place also to avoiding your fear through addiction and it’s a very different place to avoiding your fear through questions. It’s a willingness to actually experience your fear that’s going to help you a lot with regard to understanding your emotional self.

What I find is the majority of people never get to understand anything about themselves unless they’re willing to start to go through the emotion of fear. So one of the things we’re going to have to discuss more in the future about is fear.

Now I’ve already had many discussions about fear. The interesting thing I find about the discussions about fear is that they are the least watched and the least written about presentations we’ve ever done. Even the people who are doing the transcribing have not transcribed the talks about fear. If you list all of the talks that they’ve transcribed, and there are quite a lot – there are now seventy or eighty – they’ve only just recently done their first one about fear. What does that tell you? That nobody wants to face their fear, feeling the emotion of fear.

9. False definitions of progression

Jesus: Okay, when we start to talk about progression, how can we define progression? Now that we’re seeing that progression is all about emotions, how would you define progression now? Before you might have said growing in love, growing in truth, being more humble; used all of these basic terms I suppose you might call them but all of those things need to have some kind of emotional connotation, do they not? They need to have some kind of emotion involved in them.

How would you define progression? Well, perhaps we need to start with how we need to not define progression anymore. How does that sound? Because all of the ways we’re defining progression are probably wrong. So let’s list all the ways we currently define progression, and we’ll discuss whether they are in harmony with our emotional self, or outside of it. How does that sound?

9.1. Thinking progression a “process”

Jesus: What are some of the ways you’ve been defining progression? “Progression is a process.” And is it? No, it’s not, so down here we’ll have to talk about that a bit. What else?

9.2. Thinking we know things we have not experienced

Participant Male: I used to think the more hours of AJ DVDs that I’ve watched, the more progressed I’d be now, the more knowledge I’d have, and that kind of thing.

Jesus: Yes, and that doesn’t work at all.

Participant Male: Completely intellectual, yes.

Jesus: Yes, the reason why is because if the soul is not open emotionally to the experience of what’s being said, nothing of what’s being said has actually entered your soul. So you’ve made no progression and you have this other problem and that is you think you have.

Part of the problem is that we “think” we have progressed, and we come up with heaps of justification as to how these thoughts arrive: one of the justifications is I know more now than I knew before, so I’m progressed. Now, I’m saying you don’t know until you’ve felt something, so that’s not even true – you don’t know more than you knew before: for many of us that’s the case. We only know if we’ve gone through the emotional process: that’s the only way we know.

So the reality is you can listen to Divine Truth for the rest of your life, and be able to regurgitate every word I’ve ever spoken, and still know nothing about Divine Truth, which is very, very different to going to a university course and knowing something about medicine, or something about engineering, isn’t it? Because all you have to do there is just regurgitate the information and then they say you know it – it’s not strictly true either.

I was talking to the guys last night I think it was and I used the example of a person who goes to do veterinary science as a university course. If they do veterinary science as a university course, and they’re never allowed to touch an animal ever, and they have all this theory and they come out of the course, and they have all this theory, but have they ever put it into practice? Has it ever been an experience? Now would you take your animal along to such a vet? Probably not because there’s a whole heap of things more that he’s got to do before he’s going to become a good vet.

Mary: Someone’s got to take their animal to him to get some experience. (Laughs)

Jesus: But this is where he usually would get his experience initially by having someone else show him the process, and actually taking him through the experience in a supervised manner. Well, that’s what your guides are doing with you: they’re attempting to take you through the supervised – and I say attempting, it just depends on how willing you are – but they’re attempting to take you through the supervised process of becoming more based around your emotional self, becoming more knowledgeable, really, from an emotional perspective.

Thinking we have progressed is a major problem. What are ways that you would have thought that you progressed or that would justify you thinking that you’ve progressed? One that we’ve mentioned is that you know more now about Divine Truth than you knew before and what I’m suggesting is no, that’s completely false until you’ve felt it, you don’t know it.

9.3. Analysing Law of Attraction events with the mind without emotional understanding or connection

Participant Female: Things in your life seem to be getting better.

Jesus: “Seem to be getting better”. Can you be more specific? See, I know when things in my life are better and I don’t have this feeling that it seems to be better.

Participant Female: Well, like you were saying before, sometimes it’s good, and sometimes it’s bad.

Jesus: Yes, but I wouldn’t call that better; I would call that the same as before. The reality is you will know things in your life have improved. There’s a difference between knowing and just thinking. See most people go, “Oh, last week, there were three things that happened to me that were so good, it’s showing me that I’m progressing.” Now there are twenty-five things that happened to you, that should have shown you that you aren’t and what do we do with that. We dismiss all the twenty-five things, and we just say those three things that show me I’m progressing. Isn’t that wonderful and we convince ourselves because we love self-delusion. We love self-deception. Why do we love self-deception? Because it stops us from having to feel emotions of fear.

My feelings are you should know when you’ve improved on an issue and you will know, actually when you’ve improved on an issue. You will feel very, very different when you’ve actually improved on an issue.

Law of Attraction events are a great way of finding out what you’re really attracting. They’re a great way of finding out: so if you find your attraction’s improving in some areas, then you know that you must be dealing with something and on the right track. But if you don’t know what it is you dealt with, then I’d suggest that that’s probably not a good sign that anything’s really being dealt with because you will know. You will know what you’ve dealt with as you progress. Anything else?

Participant Male: Motive.

Jesus: What do you mean by motive? Are you saying your motivation is more pure? How are you measuring it? This is where we’re measuring progression here.

Participant Male: It’s measured for me, I feel it’s measured by how softer I am after an event has happened. Like I feel softer, and then the Law of Attraction brings something and that’s not affecting me the way it did anymore. I’ve had more compassion than before.

Jesus: Yes, certainly. So what would be the opposite of that?

Participant Male: The opposite of that is thinking that my Law of Attraction has changed?

Jesus: When it hasn’t really?

Participant Male: Telling myself that I’m better with this event as it comes up next.

Jesus: Yes and the fact that it’s coming up next means that you probably are not better with the event, because the way the Law of Attraction works is that once you’ve stopped the problem in your soul, you don’t attract the same events anymore. If you’re attracting the same event again, just with a different face on it or a different person involved, but you’re still attracting the same kind of event, then it probably means that you haven’t dealt with anything. You just think you have. Anything else you can think of?

9.4. Thinking we are more loving without having an emotional release of unloving feelings

Participant Female: Not doing certain behaviours and believing that you’re good for not doing that when you know you haven’t dealt with the underlying causes. For instance, I don’t eat meat, but I know I haven’t dealt with the emotion.

Jesus: Correct.

Participant Female: Because there’s still desire there. And things like that.

Jesus: What would you call that? What would you call that – taking an action without any real emotional change inside of your soul, wouldn’t you? It’s like, acting better, and trying to act better.

Participant Female: Trying to be a good girl.

Jesus [*:*]Trying to be a good girl or a good boy but really, nothing’s really changed from an emotional perspective and you know it. Yes, there are many times when we don’t even know it, but we keep attracting the same events and we keep having the same feelings: for example, there are people who have stopped drinking alcohol, but they still feel like drinking alcohol; there are people who have stopped having a cigarette, but they still feel like having a cigarette.

Participant Female: And what’s worse, though, is that I’m starting to realise, for instance, I’ve been celibate for nearly three years, thinking I was “good”, but then I’m doing all this stuff in the sleep state that I’ve just realised. So I’m quite deluded.

Jesus: Into thinking that you being a good girl, really, like this is not a good girl. You’re just doing it in a state where you can deny that it’s happening in your awake state and that’s very common, very common and that’s driven by the fact that you’ve tried to change, without actually emotionally changing.

Many people do this with Divine Truth: they treat it the same as any other faith or religious-based learning. They think that all they have to do is follow the law and the rules, and then everything will come good. Well, no, that’s not the way it works actually; everything becomes good when your emotions of not following the laws or the rules are gone – that’s when it comes good and for many of us, those emotions still exist because we’re unwilling to feel them. We’re afraid of feeling them.

9.5. Differences between God’s and our parents’ definition of true progression

Jesus: Can I just ask, who makes the judgment of whether we’ve progressed? What would be your answer generally? Most of us would prefer to do it personally, which means that, “Today I’m really, really great. I’m already at-one with God.” (Laughter)

Participant Female: If I’m honest, it’s my parents. I go back to this place and it’s what I think my parents would think is progress and that is what I generally live by of whether I’m good, bad, indifferent, whatever.

Jesus: Yes. Why is that? It’s because that’s what you grew up with in terms of the judgment, isn’t it?

Participant Female: Yes, and approval. Like I’m really big on wanting their approval. So really I ask others whether I’ve progressed or not, as well, rather than me.

Jesus: Yes. So the reality is who really determines whether we’ve progressed? The proper person to determine it is God, isn’t it? Okay. So let’s look at what God thinks and then compare that with what mum and dad, our parents, think. What normally happens there?

Participant Female: Well, they’re two different things.

Jesus: They’re totally different things, aren’t they? Totally different things and so the majority of us accept our parents’ definition as progression, whatever they would say is progressing. So being a good girl, or a good boy, that’s progression. What did they have to do to get you to be a good girl or a good boy most of the time?

Participant Female: Violently harm me.

Jesus: Violently harm you. In other words, it wasn’t your will that you became a good girl or a good boy, it was fear of their violent harm that caused you to be a good girl or a good boy. Many of us are engaging that with God. We’re afraid that God will somehow punish us or hurt us, or some of God’s Laws may make our life worse. and that’s why we’re becoming a good girl or a good boy. All of that kind of progression is not progression, because it’s all intellectual; nothing changes emotionally, and nothing changes with our desires and our passions; nothing changes at the core of our being.

9.6. True progression from God’s perspective

Jesus: What we need to do to really measure our progression is to understand that it’s all about whether God feels we’ve progressed and how does God measure progression?

Participant Female: It’s reflected to us through the operation of God’s Laws.

Jesus: No. How does God measure our progression?

Participant Female: By love.

Jesus: What love?

Participant Female: How loving I am in my soul.

Jesus: Yes, how loving you become and … ?

Participant Female: How loving I am to others.

Jesus: Yes.

Participant Female: And how loving I am towards God.

Jesus: Yes. And … ? One more.

Participant Female: How loving I am to myself.

Jesus: Yes, keep going.

Participant Female: To the environment, to every living thing.

Jesus: Yes but you’ve missed out one big one, the biggest one, in fact.

Participant Female: How much of God’s Love I have … received.

Jesus: Received. Correct, so yes, it’s all of those things, but, that big one as well. How much Love from God that I’ve actually received. That’s the thing that transforms my soul. That’s the thing that makes my soul grow to become at-one with God and that’s from God’s perspective how much you’ve actually received, not how much you think you’ve received.

Some of you think you haven’t received any, and you have; and some of you think that you have received some, and you haven’t; and there are a lot of people in between those two places, in terms of their judgment of what’s actually occurred. So it’s about how loving we’ve become and how much of God’s Love we’ve actually received. That’s real progression, isn’t it?

9.7. Thinking we know things we have not felt

Jesus: Anything else that you can think of with regard to ways in which we thought we’ve progressed. If I can give you some examples; thinking we know things we have not felt.

False concepts of what progression is

A lot of us do that, don’t we? The trouble with listening to Divine Truth presentations like this is that we come away from it thinking we know something new and we don’t. We only know it when we feel it and for most of us we haven’t felt it yet. That’s the only time we really know it, when we feel it.

If we haven’t felt it, and we assume that we now know, can you see the damage we’re doing to ourselves? We aren’t growing. We aren’t changing really, we’ve just convinced ourselves we’re changing and growing. That’s a pretty damaging thing to do because when you convince yourself you’ve changed and grown, and you haven’t, you’re actually self-delusional. It’s not a good sign. (Laughter) You don’t want to become self-delusional on the path to God. You can’t become self-delusional.

Participant Male: So in a way, we can listen to these teachings and actually build more of a facade around ourselves, and actually increase the amount of spirit influence that we can put ourselves under, because we think that we’ve dealt with that issue so we’re going to completely ignore it and it’s just the spirits and avoidance and everything, just straight through that.

Jesus: Correct, yes. I’ve seen many people degrade in their condition since they’ve been listening to Divine Truth, for that exact reason because they’ve convinced themselves that they now know things that they don’t know, and they’re acting out of harmony with love in each case, and now also acting out of harmony with love towards themselves and their condition continues to degrade and they think they’re improving. There are many people who have done that. You can see that the trouble with not progressing emotionally is that it causes all sorts of other additional problems. Anything else you can think of?

9.8. Thinking we have felt things that we have not felt

Participant Female: You might have said this, but thinking we have felt things that we have not felt.

Jesus: Yes, that’s very good too. Many of us actually prefer to substitute false feelings for true feelings, so then we tell ourselves we felt something that we haven’t felt.

For example, many of us want to believe that when somebody has said something to us that we were being attacked by that person, when all that person might have been doing is just telling us the truth, and they might not have been attacking us but we want to feel that they’ve attacked us because feeling they’ve attacked us means that we can dismiss everything they said. If you feel that somebody has attacked you, you can dismiss everything they said as having any value or worth – there’s a great way of avoiding a whole heap of truth.

That’s an example of how we think we’ve felt something that we haven’t actually felt yet because the feeling we need to feel is completely the opposite of what we’re feeling many times and we’ve just convinced ourselves otherwise.

Participant Female: With that attack though, what I’m noticing, because I’m definitely a dismiss-er of all attack, but lately I’m like, sometimes what they’re attacking me with, even if they are or they’re not, has elements of truth about me in it.

Jesus: Correct.

Participant Female: And so I’m just going to dismiss it because I don’t want know that.

Jesus: Yes, correct. So a lot of the times we’re trying to dismiss information, dismiss the truth and this is why thoughts are not very helpful with our progression because we’re often thinking our way through the process, dismissing a whole heap of things that we believe are untrue, but they are actually true, and then accepting a whole heap of things we think are true, that are completely untrue. Then we say, “Because I cried last week, I’m on the Divine Love Path.” No you’re not. Like, there are millions of people, billions of people out there who cry and none of them are on the Divine Love Path. That’s the reality. A lot of times you can cry in frustration, anger, annoyance, rebellion, tantrum, fear; all sorts of crying can happen, and none of it is causal, because none of its real – none of its real; it’s not the real emotion that you need to face. These are traps that we can get into. Anything else you can think of?

9.9. Feeling emotionless towards situations

Mary: I’ve got the handout, so it’s easy but one of the things that’s not on the handout that I used to associate with progression was my ability to cope and manage and “deal with” everything that came my way. I thought if I can do that cool as a cucumber, and emotionless, then I’m quite a developed person and the truth is actually the complete opposite: once I stop trying to manage everything and control it, I begin to progress.

Jesus: Yes.

Mary: But would you like to hear some more things from the handout.

Jesus: Sure.

9.10. Having intellectual realisations without accompanying emotional experiences

Mary: Yes, okay: having intellectual realisations without accompanying emotional experiences – it’s a big one.

Jesus: Yes, so do you know what we mean by that? Having an intellectual realisation without having an accompanying emotional experience. A lot of times we have an intellectual realisation, like often we’re having discussions with people and they say, “Oh, yes, I realised that last week.” And did you feel about it? “No. But I know what you’re talking about.” No, you don’t because you haven’t felt it yet. Unless you feel it, you don’t know. You’re just convincing yourself you know, because you have an intellectual light bulb moment; those kinds of light bulb moments that occur; they’re wonderful, I’m not saying that they’re not, but they don’t mean any progression until you feel about them – that’s the reality. So have them, don’t stop having them but there needs to be further action taken.

9.11. Thinking we know things we have not experienced (continued)

Mary: You’ve kind of covered this – thinking you know things you don’t feel, and thinking that you know things you’ve not experienced.

Jesus: Thinking you know things you’ve not experienced. Yes, so how many of you have experienced a really, truly loving relationship with the opposite gender, if that’s the kind of relationship that you’re attracted to? In other words, if you’re heterosexual, how many of you have experienced a truly loving relationship with the opposite gender where you always felt happy, you always felt great? They always felt happy; they always felt great. You both weren’t in addictions at all and you’re both completely in harmony with God’s Love and God’s Laws. How many of you had that relationship? Zero? Okay.

Now, how can you say you know what that’s like? You can’t, can you? You can only guess what that must be like. You don’t know; we don’t know until we’ve experienced it. We can aim for it, but we don’t know. Many of us don’t even believe it’s possible, if we’re honest with ourselves.

9.12. Thinking we are more loving without having an emotional release of unloving feelings (continued)

Mary: Thinking you’re more loving without having an emotional release of unloving feelings.

Jesus: Yes, we observe this a lot where people say, “Oh, yes, I’ve worked through this issue,” and they’ve not released the unloving emotion at all and so of course you haven’t worked through the issue. The unloving emotion is still there. You can’t think yourself into love – love is an emotion – you can’t think yourself into it; it has to be felt into.

9.13. Analysing Law of Attraction events with the mind without emotional understanding or connection (continued)

Mary: Analysing Law of Attraction events with the mind without emotional understanding or connection.

Jesus: Yes, this is something we notice heaps of this going on. Let’s talk about this one a bit more – the analysis of Law of Attraction events intellectually.

What do we mean by that?

Participant Female: Just like, “Oh yes that happened again because my mum hated me when I was young,” you know, going into the whole story. “Oh yes, yes, I know that one.”

Jesus: Yes and you don’t.

Participant Female: And you don’t.

Jesus: No because if you did know that one, there’s a pretty good chance you would have felt your way through it at some point, because to know anything you have to feel it.

Participant Female: No, it just makes good conversation with other people who just want to talk about it.

Jesus: Correct, it’s like we start entering this whole system of what I would call acronyms, where you start banding around all of this acronym type things to fit into a group. So they start going, Law of Attraction, Law of Desire, law of this, law of that. This is not how average people talk, and it’s also not how I talk and I just wonder why we want to get in those conversations, because having conversations makes everybody feel they’re progressing and everybody feel they know something and they don’t know anything until they actually feel again – so yes, we can do that a lot.

How many of you have sat down, trying to work out what happened last week, or the last day, or this day, and tried to work it out with your mind without feeling anything? Were you very successful? Has the event happened again?

Audience: Yes.

Jesus: Of course, it’s not until you feel through these events, and feel your emotions as you’re going through these events, that you will actually change. You can think your way through them over and over again; nothing’s going to happen, nothing’s really going to change. This is a major problem for most people: they hear about the Law of Attraction, and they try to work it all out instead of feeling about it all – it’s a major issue.

Participant Male: Is that why after a while now I get quite drained when someone starts talking like that. I can’t have a conversation when someone goes, “Oh, last week, or this morning … “ it’s like, why are you telling me.

Jesus: Because they don’t want to know.

Participant Female: Yes, it’s taxing on me now.

Jesus: Yes, it is taxing; it’s exhausting. Like, how are they ever going to truly know what happened unless they feel about it? And you can try to convince them to feel about it, and every time they go back to the intellectual discussion of their Law of Attraction, what they call their Law of Attraction, it’s not even theirs, it’s God’s Law of Attraction operating upon their soul. But when they go back and start talking about that, really all they’re talking about is just stuff. They’re just having conversation without feeling.

I had a really interesting conversation this week with a lovely Indonesian man who we’ve seen only twice and I feel he’s on the Divine Love Path. We met him first about five years ago and it was the first time that he’d ever heard about Divine Truth, five years ago. We met him again this week, for the second time as it turned out and, every single thing we discussed, he had to go away and feel about before we could have the next discussion.

We started discussing some interactions he has with women. He was overwhelmed with fear and terror and went and vomited in the toilet. He did that three times in our discussion about this stuff with women. He came back, we talked a bit more, back in the toilet, came out again, talk a bit more, back in the toilet. And then we started to discuss some other feelings that he had about himself, and he just cried straight away. It’s very unusual for me to have conversations like that but that’s the kind of conversations you’ll have once you start feeling your emotion. You’ll connect to the emotion instantly.

There was very little resistance in him and it was very interesting for the other people who have been listening to Divine Truth for five years all that time that he’s been in Indonesia, the other people who were present, they were just like, oh off he goes, processes a bit more, comes back, off he goes, and it’s like just natural and seamless. He was growing. He’d changed in those five years; he’d changed more than most of the people who’ve been coming along to the sessions for five years. Which is interesting because most of them are analysing everything without actually feeling anything. That was a good example of a man who is allowing the connection to his emotional self.

Participant Male: I noticed that, and I think why am I throwing up? I don’t understand why.

Jesus: Because you’re afraid, but can we leave all those personal questions for tomorrow?

Participant Male: Yes.

Jesus: Yes, no worries. What’s next in the list, baby?

9.14. Incorrectly identifying injuries, love or truth and not understanding the truth of events or our own condition

Mary: Incorrectly identifying injuries, love or truth and not understanding the truth of events or you own condition. So it’s again intellectually interpreting.

Jesus: Yes, there are going to be some things we’re going to present in the assistance group about relationships. There are basically two types of relationships: there are relationships where people have hurt you, and then there are the relationships where you’ve hurt other people and we’re going to talk about these two types of relationships and how you need to understand them from an emotional perspective in order to understand what kind of feelings you’re having.

Now, the majority of people want to blame others for hurting them when they haven’t, and at the same time let others get away with hurting them when they have hurt them.

9.14.1. An illustration of forgiveness and repentance

Jesus: Can I illustrate that? Each of you have a mum and dad – parents. Who caused most of the emotional suppression in your soul? Your parents, so they caused the suppression of your soul. So what are you going to have to do with your parents if you want to progress?

Participant Female: Make them accountable for what they’ve actually done to you.

Jesus: Well, that’s a part of the process, but I’m going to put it all together under one word – forgive. You need to learn to forgive them and that’s going to mean making them accountable for everything that they did, because you can’t forgive somebody for something you didn’t believe they did. You don’t believe they did it, when they did do it.

Children need to forgive their parents for the damage they caused them

You’re going to have to learn to forgive them; you’re going to have to learn to go through an emotional process where you feel everything that they did, and that means you will need to feel everything they did from God’s perspective. It’s not from your own perspective. See, your perspective is skewed, because you’re already accepting everything they did; you already believe what they did was fine so your perspective is already skewed from God’s perspective. We’re going to have to learn to forgive what our parents did.

Then let’s say we have a partner, and because we denied forgiveness of our parents, we decided to actually get our partner to do most of the things that our parents wouldn’t do. What’s that called? Co-dependency, or we had a whole heap of addictions.

Now when I’m projecting my addictions at another person, what am I doing? Am I helping them or harming them? Harming them. Okay, so I’m going to have to repent towards this person.

We need to repent towards people who we have harmed

You know what I see happening instead of those two things? I see most people, when the person with whom they are in an addictive relationship with does something wrong in a relationship, they think they need to forgive them and when a person’s parents do something wrong in the relationship, the person wants forgiveness. It’s completely the opposite of what should be happening.

When a person’s parents do something wrong, we need to see what they’ve done wrong, and learn how to forgive them, which means going through the truth, and we need to accept the truth of what they’ve done and then we need to learn how to forgive them by emotionally going through the process.

When the person with whom we are in an addictive relationship with does something we think is wrong, we’ve got to remember that we attracted them because we wanted them to do the things that our parents didn’t do. We actually helped create this person being the person they are towards us right now. So when they go and do something, in or out of harmony with love is immaterial, we’ve been a part of the creation of that person by our projections of our addictions upon them. They’re the person we need to feel repentance towards, not forgiveness. What I see a lot of people doing is forgiving the persons they need to repent towards, and repenting towards the people they need to forgive.

Now we’re going to go through that in a lot more detail in the assistance group. The reason why I brought it up is because the majority of us are trying to feel feelings that are not actually true and also trying to feel feelings where we’ve distorted the truth and none of those things are going to help us to progress.

We have to feel the truth in order to progress. So when I say, “Your parents did this,” and you say back to me, “Oh, but they were good people: they did this and they did that; they did the best that they could do at the time,” and all that stuff you feed me in return, that is all stuff where you refuse to forgive your parents. You want to believe your parents didn’t do what they did and therefore you’re incapable of forgiving them because you’re incapable of even acknowledging what they did. To forgive someone, you first need to understand what they did, and then you need to go through the process of forgiveness of them.

And to repent towards someone, you need to know what you did; you need to understand what you did that harmed them and most of us don’t understand – we don’t. We don’t understand what we did to harm the other person so we don’t have repentant feelings towards the persons. We often want them to repent towards us. We want them to feel sorry about how they treated us, when the reality is we need to feel sorry about how we treated them and this is a big distortion of the truth and, of course, most people wonder why they’re not progressing after that.

We can’t progress if you try to feel feelings that don’t exist. That makes sense, doesn’t it? And feelings that exist are all based around truth. So unless you’re feeling truthfully what actually happened, then it’s not going to be a real emotion and therefore no progression will occur.

[*9.15. If we are thinking growth, when we are placed in a difficult situation we will revert to our own historical unloving behaviour and feelings unless we exert an extreme force of our own will *]

Jesus: Is there anything else in that list? Everyone’s a bit hard on that one. So we’ll go on to the next one. We’ll talk more about that.

Mary: No you’ve just summarised everything about when we’re thinking growth in the seminar outline, and said, “If you are thinking growth, when you are placed in a difficult situation, you will revert to your own historical unloving behaviour and feelings unless you exert an extreme force of your own will.”

Jesus: So does everyone get that statement? If you’re thinking growth, and you’re not really growing, you will try, try, as hard as you can try, but under pressure you will always revert back to the same thing you used to do before, unless you exert an extreme force of your own will.

Now that’s what the majority of us do and then we believe it’s growth – now that’s not growth. Real growth is the opposite: when you make real growth, you automatically do things that are more loving without having to try. That’s real growth: you automatically become more loving to yourself, more loving to others, more loving to your environment, more loving with God and so forth as you’ve grown – that’s real growth.

10. Indications of true progression

Jesus: Okay, so can we compare the progression that we intellectually assess with true progression? What are the signs of true progression?

10.1. Automatically becoming more loving and truthful

Participant Female: Just changing what you do, it’s natural.

Jesus: Okay, so it’s been automatic; you’ve automatically become more loving. Is that not true?

Participant Female: And you don’t even think about doing it a different way anymore.

Jesus: No, so more loving and truthful. How many of you are finding that whenever you’re in a situation, now you just automatically blurt out the truth, without even thinking? That’s a sign of progression when you do that; you just automatically do it, you can’t help yourself. Out it comes out of your mouth, and then you go, “Ooh, what’s going to happen now?” Sometimes you might still feel a bit of fear from that but it’s just automatic. You just can’t help yourself from doing it.

That’s a measure of real progression; that’s somebody who’s progressed with their acknowledgement of truth and how important it is in their life. They’re automatically sharing it; they don’t hold back; they don’t worry about what everybody else thinks and feels about what they’re about to express. They just do it automatically and then they think about it afterwards. Just like a child would, if you think about it, exactly like a child would. Are there any other ways?

10.2. Being engaged in true passions and desires

Participant Male: We’re truly engaged in our passions and desires, preferably one hundred percent of the time.

Jesus: Well eventually it will be one hundred percent, won’t it? So we’re engaged our true passions and desires. So not our addictions: most of us are engaged, mostly one hundred percent of the time, in our addictions, that’s what we engage.

Now this is what we’re saying, true progress is engaging in your true passions and desires, and eventually that’s going to be one hundred percent of the time. So if you’ve talked about something a year ago, and two years ago, that you wanted to do and it’s in harmony with love, and you haven’t done it yet, have you grown? No, not on that issue you have not grown. You can talk about it for the next twenty-five years, and you still don’t grow from talking about it; you grow by experiencing something – that’s how you grow. So you would engage the experience.

All these people who talk about leaving their work to do another thing they really love doing, and then twenty years later you ask them have they done that, and they go, no because it didn’t pay the money or it wasn’t this, or all these excuses under the sun – well, they haven’t grown; they haven’t let go of those fears enough to actually become engaged in their true passions and desires.

10.3. Taking personal responsibility

Participant Male: Also you’re going to take personal responsibility for everything as well.

Jesus: Correct, so what does that mean? What does that look like?

Participant Male: You’re not blaming anyone else for your situation or what’s happening around you.

Jesus: Correct.

Participant Male: It becomes mine.

Jesus: It becomes “What have I done here to change this situation?” When you take full personal responsibility, you will grow; you will grow. And saying things like you said earlier, Laura, like, “Oh, when I’m ready,” that’s not taking personal responsibility – you’re ready when you desire to be ready; that’s when you become ready.

We need to take personal responsibility, even for our fears. Instead of going, “Oh, I’ll just automatically, magically be ready to process through that emotion at some point in the future.” You’d be better off going, “No, I need to find my fears about why I’m not processing that emotion right now. Why I’m not going through that experience emotionally right now?” Next one? Any of us have any ideas?

10.4. Emotionally experiencing events

Participant Male: Wouldn’t it also be when you’re truthful or when you’re automatically truthful, you have your desire to actually feel the fears of what happens after there’s growing and it becomes more of a present thing. So how can I explain that and make more sense? You say something to someone because you’re not really worried too much about what they’re going to say back, because you just blurted it out. But, you learned from the growth after, like you grow in your desire to actually deal with the emotion of fear.

Jesus: Can we call this emotionally experiencing events?

Participant Male: Yes, because sometimes it doesn’t happen in that actual moment when you say it, but you grow in your desire to actually deal with it.

Jesus: Yes, eventually it will happen in the moment you say it, obviously but if you emotionally experience what’s happened to you every single time, you will not go wrong in terms of your progression – you’ll progress; you will definitely progress then.

10.5. Taking action

Participant Female: It might come under the personal responsibility, but a willingness to really see the darker emotions and how the subtleties of the violence that you perpetrate on others, whether it be a judgement or a …

Jesus: How do you measure whether you’re willing, though? See, a lot of times we can talk about, oh I need to be willing about to do this, and I need to be willing to do that. How do you know you’re willing? Somebody said it – you take action.

Participant Female: You take action.

Jesus: Yes, you take action: a person who’s changing takes action; they don’t sit there and talk about things – they always take action with change.

10.6. Attractions change

Participant Male: Our Law of Attraction changes.

Jesus: Really changes, yes. So whose law again was it? God’s Law of Attraction. So our attractions change.

That means our attractions both negatively and positively change. Do you understand what I mean by that? So for example, let’s look at a positive attraction. Let’s say, before, whenever you got together with a group of people, most of the people there were just sort of pessimistic, and down all the time and you just seemed to gravitate, they seem to gravitate toward you every time. Let’s say that happened every time you got in a gathering with somebody. And then you notice after you’ve dealt with some emotion, that now it’s only the positive people who come and speak with you and the negative ones seem to just automatically leave you alone. Now that’s an indication of a true change in a positive direction, it’s a positive change.

Negative change would be something like you notice all of a sudden that you’re attracting more and more people who are afraid into your life and they’re expressing their fears to you, and you’re becoming frustrated and angry about it. That would be an attraction that’s demonstrating that you’re suppressing an emotion, of responsibility for people who are afraid.

Sometimes our attractions change positively, sometimes they are changed negatively when we’re progressing. When you start to come to understand that many of your attractions are because of what you accept internally, emotionally you accept attack; many of you accept attack from other people emotionally. Once you start addressing those emotions, you’re going to get more attacked emotionally while you’re working your way through the emotion and that will be a sign that you’re progressing on the matter. It won’t be a sign that things are worse; it will be a sign that things are getting better.

Now, once you’ve gone through all of those emotions, after that, those people will probably disappear from your life and that’s a sign that you’ve probably now worked through a lot of it but while you’re working through it, you’re attractions will ramp up and this is an indication that you want to work through it, and that’s progress isn’t it? Wanting to work through something is progress.

You see we start off, generally, in complete denial. In that place we’re totally clueless of who’s around us, who’s being attracted, what we’re talking about, what we’re feeling, what they’re feeling, and totally clueless of everything. Then we start getting through some awareness. Once we start to have some awareness, often the attractions starts ramping up because now our soul is saying to God and all of God’s Laws, give me the things I need so that I can work through this emotion. And then, of course, it looks like our life is going down the gurgler, but the reality is it’s not because we’re now seeing what we’re attracting, so this is progress.

Many of us measure progress even incorrectly: to many of us progress means my life got smoother, and that’s not always the case because you need, sometimes, these other traumatic events to occur in order for you to see certain things, and without those events you wouldn’t see them. So sometimes the change is negative but it still indicates that you’re progressing.

Now you know what I see a lot of people do with change that is negative? They go, “Oh, this isn’t working. I’m going to stop now.” That’s what they do but they’re not seeing what’s really happening. What’s really happening is that they’ve made a change inside of themselves wanting to know something, and now of course, the Law of Attraction which is all based around your desire to know things, the strength of that law is such that the strength of your desire to know triggers more engagement from the law. The less you desire to know, the less the law can bring to you for your awareness.

10.6.1. Feeling fear about lack of progress

Participant Female: You know how last time we spoke about how you can become at-one with God on particular subjects or particular issues. Can it be the same with progression in terms of I don’t feel that I’m progressing because the biggest thing for me hasn’t shifted but then the thing that little things are changing around me, but I don’t see them as progression because it’s not the big one.

Jesus: Can I give you a general answer to this question? Every time you ask a progression question, there’s a fear driving it. What’s the fear driving it?

Participant Female: That I’m not progressing.

Jesus: So wouldn’t you be better off feeling that fear than me giving you an answer? And if you felt that fear, you would be able to measure when you’re progressing. So just be careful of progression questions, because what they’re really doing is they’re masking a lot of fears that you have. You’d be better off feeling that fear that you have, and allowing yourself to go through the fear, then you’ll have an instant answers to many of the questions. I know when I’ve progressed and I know when I have not. I can list every issue that I have not progressed on in the last year. I can list some issues that I have progressed on in the last year and the reason why is because once you get rid of the fear relating to progression, you’ll easily see what you’ve progressed on and what you haven’t. You’ll be able to measure it accurately.

10.7. Identifying more truth about our true condition

Participant Female: So would another sign of true progression be your ability to self-reflect deepens?

Jesus: Yes, but we’d have to say that our self-reflection has to deepen in the same direction that God wants it to go, rather than in an opposite direction, wouldn’t we? So how do you measure that when you’re not feeling it? That’s pretty hard. I don’t know how you would measure that. Obviously if there’s more truth available to you about your true condition, and you know it’s truth, then that’s an indication of progression.

Participant Female: I meant like for Fab, what he was saying, his experience is that he’s now walking away from things and he’s sort of realising things quicker, so to speak.

Jesus: That’s all an indication of progression, yes, definitely.

10.8. Becoming more emotional

Mary: I just wanted to point out, again because I’ve got the seminar outline it’s easier, but there are seven things on my list that have not been mentioned and a lot of the things on the list have become very distant from our emotional self. We’re down to measuring progress through physical things, and I just thought to highlight that to the group.

Jesus: Yes, so can we maybe, give them a clue, and then maybe that will start opening up another course of discussion about it.

Mary: Yes, so we’re talking about what is involved in true growth, true progress, and how we would become, perhaps. So first on my list is becoming a complete one hundred percent emotional being.

Jesus: The more emotional I am, indicates progress.

Mary: Could I just ask a question about that point? Or make an observation, I suppose.

Jesus: Sure.

Mary: And that is that oftentimes I see people being in-authentically emotional, and calling that progress.

Jesus: Of course, they’re facade emotional: so in other words, they try to be more emotional, but it’s not real. That’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about real emotion and most of you can feel the difference to be honest. You can feel when you manufacturing something compared to when it’s real. You can also generally feel when other people are manufacturing something compared to when it’s real.

How many people come up to you and say, “Oh, how are you today?” And you can feel like, they’re not really interested in how I am today. Or they say, “Could I share something with you?” What’s the feeling that I tried to project when I said that then? What’s the feeling? Can I pull you down in some way? A person who’s more emotional would feel, oh yes, I just wanted to pull down that person – that’s progress for me to see that I just wanted to do that.

This is allowing yourself to see what your real emotions are and becoming more connected to those emotions. So that’s one way you can see that you progress.

10.9. Receiving God’s Love

Jesus: Any other ideas, or do we have to get Mary to read the other six points? Let’s do that. Let’s fire away with the next ones.

Mary: Okay, so receiving God’s Love. I don’t think that was on our initial list.

Jesus: Have you received God’s Love in the last year? That’s an indication of your progression. If you know you haven’t, then how can you say you’ve progressed? It makes sense, doesn’t it? So instead of berating ourselves … you see when we don’t receive God’s Love we then go where? Where did our parents tell us to go? It’s all your fault. It’s all that self-attack stuff. That’s not what we’re doing here. We’re not trying to get you to go into self-attack. We’re trying to get you to see – have I progressed or have I not, and being able to measure the difference between progression and no progression.

Now, if I’ve not received and I’ve not been aware of receiving God’s Love in the last year, then I haven’t received it and if I haven’t received it, then I haven’t progressed in God’s Love. I might have progressed in other things, but I haven’t progressed in receiving God’s Love.

Participant Female: So if I’ve had what I think is an emotional release, and I have not received God’s Love immediately afterwards, it means that I have not actually had an emotional experience, it’s a facade emotional experience?

Jesus: Not necessarily, it just means that you have not had a pure longing for God’s Love afterwards. To receive God’s Love you have to have a pure, sincere longing for God’s Love to enter you.

Now, you think about your relationship with your parents at the moment. Can you see why you might not have had a pure desire for God’s Love at this point? Because there are all sorts of emotions you’re working through with your parents, where your mum’s been this really nasty character, who’s abused you violently physically, your father’s been a nasty character who’s abused you sexually, and you’re working through these emotions.

Participant Female: Yes.

Jesus: And as a result, it’s very, very hard for you to have a longing for God when you see God as one of those parents; you see God as having the same nature as one of those parents.

As you work your way through, you’ll develop the longing. Once you have the longing to receive God’s Love, after an emotional release, you will probably receive quite a lot of God’s Love. It just depends on whether you had a sincere longing at the time for it to enter you.

Participant Female: Yes.

Jesus: Does that help? There are still some doubts there, Katherine.

Participant Female: Somewhat, because I don’t think I believe that God is like my parents.

Jesus: No, but when you say you don’t think you believe that, I know you don’t think you believe it.

Participant Female: But I probably do.

Jesus: But you probably do, emotionally, because you are not automatically longing for God’s Love.

Participant Female: Yes.

Jesus: So that tells you there must be a reason why you’re not automatically longing for God’s Love and what would be the only reason why you wouldn’t be automatically doing it? It’s because of some belief systems that are out of harmony with the truth about God.

Participant Female: Yes, you are right, I believe He’s punishing me.

Jesus: Correct, so after you’ve had an emotional release, there’s still the feeling in you that He’s punishing you.

Participant Female: Yes.

Jesus: And then, of course, you don’t have a longing for God’s Love in that moment. So of course even though you’ve done some progress on the emotional side, you’ve not yet received more of God’s Love because the longing side is still being developed.

Participant Female: Yes, thank you.

Jesus: You’ve got to be careful here because what we’re giving you is indications that true progression is being made. You can make progress in one area, and no progress in others. You can; you can do that. So some of you have made progress with same sex relationships: what I mean by that is relationships with the people who have the same gender as you, and made no progress, ever since I’ve known you, with the relationships with the opposite gender. You can do that. It just depends on how you use your will, as to which direction you will progress.

10.10. Having more and more loving emotions

Jesus: Should we read out another?

Mary: Sure. Becoming a being with more and more loving emotions.

Jesus: This is a great way to measure your progress. Do you feel more loving now, or less loving now, than you felt before? That’s a good measure of progress, isn’t it?

Participant Male: Would that also include that you couldn’t even act in unloving acts, as well?

Jesus: Correct, because more loving is responding less to somebody’s addictions, isn’t it? So if before you used to respond to somebody’s addiction, and now you don’t, that’s an indication you’ve become more loving automatically and if it’s an automatic thing, that’s a very good sign that you’ve become more loving.

If before whenever a woman who was afraid came up to you, and she started projecting all of her fear at you, and you started responding, trying to make her fear go away and do all of those things, if that’s what you were doing before, and now you automatically don’t do that. You just say, “You’ve got some fear to feel,” and then you go off somewhere. And she often will think, “Well that’s not a very nice man, he didn’t listen to me at all.” But that’s her addiction. You’ve been more loving, even though she’s judged you as less loving; you are more loving and therefore you’ve have made progress in terms of your loving emotions.

The other thing is do you feel love for more things? You can measure that. Do you actually feel love for more things than you did before? If not, then there’s a way you can see that no progress has been made.

Participant Male: Would that be across the board, too?

Jesus: Yes.

Participant Male: … loving for the environment more than before?

Jesus: Yes, but honestly we often make progress in one area, and not in other areas. So you might find that you have become more loving in your treatment of women, but at the same time have the same amount of love in your treatment of men that you used to have and you find that you’ve had the same amount of love with your treatment of the environment that you used to have. So that tells you that you’ve made some progress with regard to the aspect of women, but not progress in these other ways. But isn’t that good? Rather than bad, because you’ve made some progress, at least.

10.11. Feeling and expressing feelings and emotions one hundred percent of the time

Jesus: Okay, next one.

Mary: Feeling and expressing feelings and emotions one hundred percent of the time.

Jesus: This is one area where most of us really struggle: we often feel a judgement of our emotions. As a result, we’re often in a detuned state emotionally, because we’re feeling the judgement of our emotions and we start shutting ourselves down. We’re not feeling and expressing emotions all the time.

You can feel and express emotions all the time and yet not be at-one with God and it’s going to help you immensely to become at-one with God if you do that. They have to be your real emotions, not self-deception emotions, but have to be real emotions. So you wouldn’t be histrionic, is that a word? Histrionic, you know what I mean by that? A person who’s a bit of a drama queen with their emotion. You would probably be feeling most of your emotions in private, rather than public because that’s the best way for you to fully connect one hundred percent of the time to all of your emotions. If you need to be talked through emotion before you feel it, then there are fears that you’ve got to address still.

10.12. Responding to events, people and truth in an emotional way

Jesus: Next one.

Mary: Responding to events, people and truth in an emotional way.

Jesus: Okay, so your responses will be emotional.

So you go, “I was really angry about that.” Does that sound like my response was emotional? “Argh! I’m angry about that!” Now my response is emotional and that’s what you will do, you’ll respond emotionally. It doesn’t mean that you’ll project it out to other people, but you will have more strong emotional responses to what happens to every event. You’ll be overwhelmed with joy, and you’ll cry. You’ll be overwhelmed with grief and you’ll cry. When you get angry, you’ll have to go into your room and yell because you feel angry, and you’ll let it go emotionally.

You won’t just sit on it. You’ll feel ashamed, you’ll have all these flushes, hot flushes, and discomfort come over you; you get all sweaty, and fearful, and everything. That’s what will happen.

It will happen because this is you allowing the emotion to flow; that’s what is going to happen every time. It won’t be like you discuss the emotion because you won’t be capable of discussing the emotion anymore without feeling it. So you won’t be sitting down and having a nice conversation about emotion where you can just discuss every one of the emotions that you felt last week without there being some kind of connection to the emotions themselves.

Understanding Your Emotional Self Session 3 Part 2

11. Continuation of Indications of true progression

11.1. Becoming more emotional (continued)

Participant Female: Can you just explain the difference between “feeling and expressing emotion one hundred percent of the time” and “ the more emotional I am indicates progress,” please?

Jesus: Yes, feeling and expressing emotion one hundred percent of the time is more along the lines of – there are scales by which we can feel emotions.; obviously we start off in denial, and we go into complete desire for all of our emotions.; you could call complete desire one hundred percent of the time, and complete denial is zero percent of the time feeling our emotions.

Now if we’re making progress in the way in which we feel emotional, then that’s telling us that true progression is made. Once we get to our desire to be emotional one hundred percent of the time, which happens way before you become at-one with God, now we have an ability to progress much more rapidly because now everything that’s happening to us is an emotional experience.

See, before when we started down near denial, five percent of the things that happened to us were an emotional experience and then it’s ten percent, fifteen percent, twenty percent, and eventually we get to the stage where everything that happens to you is an emotional experience.

There are stages in between being in denial, and feeling emotions zero percent of the time, and being in complete desire to be emotional one hundred percent of the time

You’re still not at-one with God yet, so you still have negative emotions; so you still have shame, guilt, sadness, anger, all sorts of emotions to feel, but you express them every time you feel them. That’s the difference between those two states. So one state is saying, “I’m becoming more emotional as I progress.” But the other state is saying, “I’m now all the time just feeling every emotion as it comes up.”

Participant Male: Do your desires change as you progress emotionally, as well?

Jesus: Certainly, of course, of course they do, certainly they do and the reason why is because as you release your fears, obviously your fears control most of your desires at this point in time. So the more fears that disappear, the more true desires you can experience and express. So naturally, you’ll become more involved with your desires, and you’ll start recognising desires you never had before, ever – that’s very true.

11.2. Discovering the truth of our childhood and current life through feeling emotions

Jesus: Mary, That’s five we’ve listed from the seminar outline, there are two more.

Mary: There are actually three more: discovering the truth of your childhood and current life through feeling emotions.

Jesus: Okay, discovering the truth of your childhood. I was having a discussion before we began with Catherine and she said to me, “In the last three months I’ve discovered so many things about my childhood that I couldn’t remember before.” And she’s done all of that by herself, through her own process. So what does that indicate? Progression: that somebody who is willing to go through the emotional process of discovering the truth about what happened to them and that’s an indication of progression.

If you can remember the same thing today that you remember about your childhood a year ago, and you’re still quite blocked emotionally, it means that there’s very little progress that’s been made and it also means that you have a lot of fear about finding out what really happened and facing what really happened emotionally. Okay, next one, babe.

11.3. Understanding everything emotionally

Mary: Understanding the world, yourself, and God emotionally.

Jesus: Okay, do we understand what that means? Understanding everything emotionally – the world, yourself, God, how everything works. See the reason why we ask lots of questions is because we want to understand things intellectually and once you start really progressing, you find that intellectual understanding is not actually understanding, it’s just a regurgitation of information – it doesn’t mean you understand anything.

You start going through this process after a while, the more you open up and progress emotionally, where you start seeing everything in the world emotionally. You start seeing every interaction that happens between each person emotionally. You start seeing what drives each individual emotionally. You start seeing the interactions between God and yourself emotionally. You start seeing how the environment responds to humans from an emotional perspective. The answers of how the Universe operates come to you through these emotions.

You start seeing everything differently, and as a result you know it; you don’t have to actually learn it; your soul, your emotional state, knows the truth about how it works now and before it didn’t. So you can be presented with two situations that look identical on the outside to the average person, and you can say no, that’s not the same. This person here has that emotion, that person there has that emotion and this person here had this history, and that person there had that history and that’s why those two people have attracted this event and then these people over here, that we think are the same, they had a completely different experience in their childhood. This person did this, and this person did that and you know it all, automatically.

And then when you sit down and discuss it with those people, they will cry when you mention the events, even, that happened to them. Events that they had forgotten, that you can feel from their soul because you can feel them emotionally. That’s progression, emotional progression.

You don’t ever have a one size fits all approach to anything anymore. This is why I find it very difficult giving answers sometimes to general questions because it depends on the emotions of the individuals involved in that question as to what the answer is. The outside event might look the same, but if I have the people in front of me, I can feel their emotion and their emotion, it’s completely different to me then as to what the answer is to that problem because you can feel the emotions driving the interaction.

That’s not possible when you do it intellectually. If you apply rules intellectually, you won’t be able to do that ever. You’ll get a lot of things wrong. This is why many people who think they’re helping other people, harm other people, because they can’t feel them. They can’t feel the soul of those people; they can’t feel what’s really going on inside of them so they can’t acknowledge what’s really going on or talk about it or understand it.

The way God understands everything is God can feel everything – that’s how God understands you. God feels everything about you, everything – every event that’s happened to you, every harmful thing, every joyful thing that has happened to you. God knows what’s happened to you as a result.

Can you see that if you were the same, you would be doing the same? If you were progressing, you could do the same with other people. Does everyone ever experience that? Now some of you, very occasionally, have experienced that. Where you’re with a person, and you know, “Wow, that’s their feeling; I can feel that feeling.” And you know, it’s only the feelings you’ve released from yourself that you’ll be able to accurately feel in another. So if you’re finding that there are very little feelings that you can feel coming from another person accurately, then it means that you’ve not allowed those feelings in yourself yet.

This is why, if I’m giving feedback to somebody, I like to have their question and answer and them being right in front of me because that gives me the opportunity to feel them and when I can feel them, if I’m clear of the same emotions that they have, then I’ve got ability to feel them properly. Then we can respond to them in a way that’s going to assist them emotionally. But if we haven’t, if we’re not at this stage, then again, this is a growth thing, isn’t it, like you will grow from not being able to do that at all to eventually, when you’re at-one with God, you’ll be able to do that with every person.

11.3.1. Receiving information about others from spirits

Participant Female: So I think for me personally at the moment, sometimes when I get messages about people, it’s all spirit driven, and it’s not this feeling it.

Jesus: Correct, for the majority of people who give feedback to other people at this point in time, a lot of the time the feedback is driven by spirits prompting the person with information. That’s not the same as what I’m talking about here. And, of course, anybody can do that; anybody who’s just a slightly bit mediumistic can get information from another person. So that’s like me hearing Joe Blow say about you, “Oh, yes, she’s got a problem with her mother. Yes. No worries. She’s really angry with her mother. Yes. Okay, I get all that.” So I tell you all of that, and then I say I know you because I know all this about you. No, I don’t. I didn’t feel any of that myself. I just had someone in my ear telling me that about you.

Participant Female: But even in a darker condition, spirits can tell a lot emotionally about us.

Jesus: Of course they can. If you sat down with any person on this planet, there’s a good chance that you would be able to determine, within a short period of time, what some of their emotions are, wouldn’t you? Now, if you could read their thoughts, you could probably do it better. And most of the spirits can read your thoughts, because the thoughts that pass through your spirit mind, eventually have to enter your brain for you to contemplate them and in the process of them entering your physical body, they can see what they were. So of course they can say something about it.

So they can go, “Oh, last week this person thought blah, blah, blah.” It might sound all fantastic that the person knows, but they’re just getting told something from a spirit, that’s all. That’s not the same as this: this is actually feeling the record of the individual, emotionally, within their soul, and responding to that record, without needing another person around you.

Participant Female: And would that be true compassion?

Jesus: Of course, it’s true compassion. Of course it is. Because you really know what’s really going on. And you may say things like, “No, it’s not that. And no, it’s not this.” And they go, “How dare you tell me what I’m feeling.” “I’m sorry, but you’re not feeling what you’re feeling.” You can even get to the point where you are very aware of what they’re feeling and what they’re not feeling, and very aware of all the lies they tell themselves in order to not feel. You become very aware of that as well. These are the abilities that you get as you grow emotionally. You don’t get them otherwise.

Okay, there’s one more I think.

11.4. Allowing the release of unloving emotions without acting upon them

Mary: Allowing the release of unloving emotions without acting upon them.

Jesus: This is a very important thing about progress: we get to the point where we allow unloving emotions to release without acting harmfully. What that means is let’s say you have anger inside of yourself. You get to the point when you progress, where you no longer allow yourself to dump that anger on another person but you still let yourself feel the anger. That’s progress when you reach that, because before then what do you want to do generally? When someone makes you angry, you just want to hammer them back, don’t you, with the emotion, or a feeling, or even like, physically.

Now an indication that you’ve made progress is that you no longer want to do that and instead you choose to feel the harmful feeling, the unloving emotion within yourself, without taking action on it, without harming someone else with it – that’s an indication of progress.

11.5. True progression is measured internally

Jesus: Now you notice all the things as Mary pointed out to you earlier, all the things that you listed before we had this list, were all focused on external things – external events, external things happening and most of us measure our progress externally. The reality is true progress is measured by what’s going on inside of you, internally.

You are the person who needs to assess this. A person who’s emotional, who has this ability to understand everything emotionally, can assess it for you. But a person who does not understand anything emotionally cannot assess you and your progress at all because they cannot feel you and if they can’t feel you, then they cannot assess your progression.

What’s the point of having people who cannot feel telling you how you’re doing? The answer is there is no point because unless they can feel you, they do not know how you’re doing. This is why it’s also very important to become sensitive emotionally because unless you’re sensitive emotionally you will not be able to accurately measure your own progression. But when you feel yourself emotionally, you can measure not only your own progression, but you can also feel everyone else’s as well. You can feel those who are progressing; you can feel those who aren’t progressing.

Not only that, you can feel those who are progressing on this issue, but not that issue, and this issue, but not that issue and that’s wonderful if you want to help them because if you want to help them you can highlight to them the areas where they’re not progressing and you can give them encouragement for the areas they are progressing. But it only comes when you’ve got that ability to feel them, which is all dependent upon you opening up and understanding your own emotional self.

I notice a lot of people trying to mimic my responses to people, without having any feelings – they can’t feel yet – and the reality is those people have no idea what they’re really doing because if you don’t feel, you don’t know. What you’re trying to do is apply an event to a circumstance that you observe, but even your observation could be tainted by your own unfelt feelings.

So you think someone’s being angry when they’re not, or you think someone’s not being angry when they are; you think someone’s nice when they’re actually attacking you or you think they’re attacking you when they’re actually being nice. When somebody gives you what you want you think they’re nice, but they’re not, because what you wanted was wrong in the first place from God’s perspective.

These are all these things that we have no ability to assess unless we’re in harmony with emotions at some point from God’s perspective and that’s why it’s so important. How are we doing with that?

11.5.1. Growing in faith

Participant Female: Would faith come in there somewhere?

Jesus: If your faith grows, but faith is an emotion, is it not? And so you will know when your faith’s grown, for the same reason that you know everything else, because you’re assessing everything emotionally. So faith is an emotion, driven by knowledge like, you know that it’s true, and therefore you have faith about it. But it’s all an emotion; it’s an emotionally driving force. So you’ll be able to measure those things too.

Do events happen in your life where all of a sudden you feel like just giving up? So you need to feel those emotions, but if you don’t feel those emotions you’ll find that at some point in the future you will give up. You will act upon those unloving emotions and give up. Faith would pull you through those times.

Faith would go, “I don’t want to give up because I know from my past experience that what I’m doing is on the right track.” And you don’t need anybody else to tell you that you’re on the right track.

11.5.2. Being able to determine our own progression

Jesus: You don’t need anybody else to say, “Oh, you’ve progressed.” People will, but you won’t need them to. You won’t need them to give you feedback because you know where you are. When you feel yourself emotionally, you do know where you are – where you, yourself, are. If you can’t feel yourself emotionally, you do not know where you are and so that’s why you then feel like you want to ask somebody else where you are.

Participant Female: And if they haven’t progressed, they probably won’t know anyway. They might tell you that you have, but they don’t know.

Jesus: They won’t know. They might be able to say some things like, “Oh sometimes I feel some love from you, or sometimes I do feel you’re different with regard to this or that.” But a lot of the times they won’t be able to share that with you because they don’t even know because they’ve not sensitised themselves emotionally to know. They’ll only be measuring from the externals, rather than being able to feel you.

God measures all of your progress by God’s Feelings of you. All of God’s Laws measure your progress by the law’s feelings of you. They all operate upon your feelings – all the laws do. They don’t operate on the external events; they operate on the feelings you had during those external events.

A person can be seemingly, outwardly very kind. There are some people who give away a million dollars to other people and they only do it for media attention, or for approval of some group of people. Now is that love? Has that person progressed? If you could feel them emotionally, would you see it as love? You’d go, “No. They’re only doing that to meet an addiction.” That’s not love. It’s great that they did it, but it hasn’t benefitted their soul because they weren’t loving doing it. It might benefit others who receive the funds, maybe but it hasn’t benefitted that person.

When you can feel everything, you can feel the true motivations that people have, you can feel your own true motivations. That’s wonderful, it’s really wonderful when you can do that. So when someone comes to you and says, “I don’t like what you did there.” You go, “Hang on a sec, I can feel my own true motivations and they’re not anything like what you’re saying to me. I had a pure desire in that place to share truth or be loving or not meet a person’s addiction or whatever.”

So somebody can attack you and you go, “I can’t accept that attack.” Emotionally you can’t accept it because you know where you are emotionally, because you can feel where you are emotionally.

12. Understanding trapped emotions

Jesus: Okay, so that’s the first half of what I wanted to share with you. There are two more things I’d like to discuss with you today that are very important for understanding your emotional self and in fact they are so important that we’re going to spend a lot more time on them in the assistance groups so that you understand them better about how to access them emotionally.

The first one is a principle regarding trapped emotions.

12.1. All trapped emotions have an age

Jesus: Trapped emotions are trapped at the age that the suppression occurred and what I said to you just then was one of the most important things you’ll ever have to understand about dealing with your emotions. Trapped emotions are trapped at the age in which the suppression of the emotion occurred.

So let’s say you were three years old, and you were feeling a certain emotion regarding a certain event with your family, and at that point in time, one member of the family who was older than you suppressed that emotion in you. For that emotion to come out of you, you are going to feel the age of the emotion. In other words, you are going to feel three years of age when you feel that emotion because the emotion is locked up at the age in which it was trapped and once you start to feel it’s release, you will feel that age as you’re releasing it.

The reality is that most of us are running around in adult bodies, feeling, or we could say not feeling, a whole heap of very, very small child-aged emotions. That’s why we don’t grow emotionally; that’s why we don’t become adults emotionally. Most seventy and eighty year olds that I see on this planet are children emotionally because they have all these trapped emotions from their childhood that remain trapped within them that they have not released. That’s why adults, in their later years in life, usually by the time they get quite aged, revert to very childish emotional expression because they’re reverting back to some of this very long and deeply held emotion from their childhood that they have yet to release.

It is one of the most important things you need to understand about your own emotion – this trapped emotion has, as I’ve just said, an age at which it was trapped.

12.1.1. Each time we were treated unlovingly, and then suppressed from feeling, the emotion was trapped at the age that the suppression occurred

Jesus: Now every emotion where you were harmed by someone else, and that you, or someone else, suppressed you from feeling, will be trapped at that age and for the average person, they were most sensitive to their emotions when they were very, very young, when they were between the ages of zero through to seven or eight. That was the time when most of their emotions got trapped. After that they started to desensitise to emotion.

So the events that happened after that generally have less impact upon us, from an emotional experience perspective, than the emotions before that time because by the time we reach seven or eight years of age, we were now quite detuned from feeling what actually was happening to us. Before that time we were less detuned, more sensitive and so there had to be a much stronger effort of suppression before something became suppressed within us. Sorry, we are in a stronger place of suppression, right now, about those emotions than we are about emotions that happened later in our life, because most of the emotions that happened later in our life, we were less sensitive to. In other words, because we were less sensitive to the emotion, less of the emotion of suppression was required to suppress the emotion.

I don’t know if I made much sense there, but I know what I said. (Laughter) So let me draw an illustration of that: let’s say we’re a little tiny baby, and then we were say five or six years of age; then we’ll say nine or ten years of age; then we’re a teenager, and then we’re an adult.

If an event happens to me when I am an adult, because I am already in a lot of emotional suppression of all events, I will be less sensitive to the pain of the event that happened to me as an adult and I will be more sensitive to the pain of what happened to me in earlier years because I was more sensitive at that point in time to the emotion.

We are more sensitive to painful events as children (left) than as we become older (left to right) and become adults (right)

Now, because of this, and because of the fact that every trapped emotion has an age, there are two types of trapped emotions that will all be distributed depending upon the age in which they were experienced. Now when we were young we had very little control over our own will: our will was controlled generally by the adults in our environment. As a result, most of the emotion associated with the younger ages will be the result of things that we eventually need to forgive in others, things that others did towards us that we need to learn how to forgive. And we need to go through the process of feeling the things that were done to us in order to forgive.

Most emotions associated with our childhood will involve forgiveness for the harm that was done to us

12.1.2. Each time we undertook an action out of harmony with God’s Love, the compensation emotions entered us at the age the action was undertaken

Jesus: But as we got older, and particularly once we start entering the teenage years and adult years, anything that we chose to not forgive we started to perpetrate damage towards others, we become the perpetrator of as an adult. Anything that we did not choose to forgive from our childhood, it now has built up within us emotionally, and now as an adult we probably will perpetrate those same events, or similar events onto others.

In other words, we create addictions, which cause damage to other people based on everything that we did not forgive from our childhood. Now, these things are things that we will need to repent for.

We need to repent for being the adult perpetrator of damage to others, which results from not forgiving the cause of our childhood damage

So there are two types of emotional damage inside of our soul: there’s the emotional damage that other people did damage to us, which we will need to forgive, and then there’s the emotional damage where we did damage to others – and the subsequent result of the Law of Compensation means that we also in that process, damaged our own soul – and we will need to repent for those particular things.

There are those two groups of emotions but every one of these emotions will be locked up at the age in which it occurred, the age in which you chose to suppress it, the first time it happens. Yes, the first time it happens and if it happens continually, then there’s probably a much larger desire to suppress, and so you probably had to use more will, or effort to suppress it and so of course, it does add to the problem. But the very first time it happened is usually the worst, that’s the real base cause of the emotion and also usually that is when we will suppress the most and the closer that was to our childhood, the more intense the suppression needed to be in order to suppress the experience of the emotion. So that means that every trapped emotion that you have inside of you, that you feel, will need to be felt at the age that it was suppressed.

Does everyone understand that as a theory? Okay. What that means, then, is this: there are emotions in you right now that are three years old that are locked up within you and you will become like a three year old as you experience them. There are emotions in you where, let’s say when you were twelve, you chose to do something that you knew was wrong, and that you knew was unloving, and you acted out of the addictions that you had even by that stage. You will need to choose to repent for what you did for those particular things, if you are going to progress emotionally.

But every one of those events, including the repentance emotions, will be locked up at the age where the problem occurred and remember the repentance emotions are related to the Law of Compensation. In other words the law that God has, that causes damage to your soul when you act out of harmony with love, and every forgiveness-based thing is when other people acted out of harmony with love and your emotional response was suppressed within you.

13. Understanding forgiveness and repentance

Jesus: Now this is very, very important to understand. For many of us we don’t understand our emotions well because we believe that just feeling grief means that we’re progressing. But if the grief we’re feeling is related to our adult life, and it’s projected at somebody else, then we’re not progressing because it’s not a causal emotion. Now does everyone understand what I just said? Because it’s a very important thing to understand.

If you’re crying about something as an adult that’s happened to you as an adult, and you’re crying about it, let’s say your husband left you, and you’re crying, that is not a causal emotion. Why isn’t it a causal emotion? The relationship you had with your husband was an attraction based on addiction. If it wasn’t based on addiction, you wouldn’t be crying. If it was based on love you wouldn’t be crying when your husband left you. You wouldn’t be upset at all.

The fact that you’re crying means it was based on addiction and if it’s based on addiction, you’re just crying about an addiction not being met and if you’re crying about an addiction not being met, that’s anger; that’s not getting to grief – therefore it’s not a causal emotion.

You see this is where we fool ourselves with our emotions so much and this is what we’ve got to be aware of. If we are experiencing an adult emotion, tears related to an adult event, my husband leaving me or my wife leaving me, as an example, then none of that is causal because I need to repent for attracting such a relationship, which was addiction based in the first place, and I need to forgive my parents who actually created the emotion as the reason why I attracted that particular relationship, not my husband or my wife.

The real emotions are very, very different than me just crying about the effect of my husband leaving me, and crying in my addiction and blaming him for leaving me, and making me feel all of these terrible things. All of it is actually a great big facade so that we don’t have to forgive our parents, and we don’t have to repent for the relationship we attracted with our husband.

Now that’s pretty confronting, isn’t it, to actually come to that point and understand that and this is why we are going to be going over this material in the assistance groups – because we feel that that particular thing is what most people do not understand about their emotional processing. There are two things here not being understood. One is the concept of forgiveness and repentant relationships, and the other is that the emotion is locked up at ages. We need to understand both of these principles if we’re ever going to truly process our way through an emotion.

13.1. Repenting for addictive relationships

Participant Female: So attracting a relationship, an addictive relationship, is something we need to repent for?

Jesus: Yes because it was our addiction that attracted it. What’s our addiction? Our addiction is the avoidance of our fears. We attracted this relationship to avoid our fears, which are all revolving around the relationship that we had with our parents.

Participant Female: So we’re damaging the other person because it’s an addiction that’s …

Jesus: Of course we are.

Participant Female: So that’s the repentant …

Jesus: A lot of times they accept the damage because we’re giving them co-dependent things. They are in the same place with us, of course. In other words, let’s say I’m a woman and I’ve attracted a man who looks after me and takes care of me and makes me feel safe and secure, because that’s what I believed I needed from the damage that was done with my relationship with my father, let’s say. Now, I’ve attracted that man, that’s my addiction and that’s what I need to repent for, my addiction. My addiction is my choice to avoid my fears and my deeper emotions. So from an emotional perspective, I need to repent for that.

My husband may need to repent for the fact that he’s attracted me to give me all of those things, and he might be avoiding the relationship he has with his mother and his mother was a woman who just had lots and lots of fear, and he learned to be a good boy and a good man he had to pander to all of her fears, and make her feel safe and secure. So he’s a very attracted to you because he wants to make you feel safe and secure, but that’s his addiction – that’s what he needs to repent for.

The repentance-based relationship is happening in the adult area, whereas the forgiveness-based relationship, and the real causal emotions, have happened in the child area. So an adult crying that his wife just left him, even though he was so nice to her, and caring about her, and all the time looking after her, and making her feel safe and secure, but she still left him, he’s not crying about anything causal. He’s not crying about anything causal until he starts to see the damage that was done to him from his own mother and the things that he needs to feel about with regard to her fear, and what her fear made him do, and what he then views as “what a good man will do”. He needs to feel all of that emotion.

If he’s just crying about his wife leaving him, he’s blaming her for a relationship break-up that he helped create. That’s very unfair, blaming someone for something that you helped create and you participated in creating is very unfair.

This is why it’s often very confronting having these discussions with people. They go, “What, you mean everything that I’ve been crying actually is related to my adult experience and therefore it’s not causal?” Yes, unless, and there’s only one exception, and that is if, as an adult, you had to repent for something you did as an adult. It’s the only exception. The only exception to what I’m saying is if, as an adult, you did something out of harmony with love to somebody else, whether that is a child or another adult or the environment or whatever else, but you chose to do this as an adult, then of course the emotion you experience will be an adult-like emotion. That’s the only time you’ll actually experience an adult-like emotion when you’re processing emotion.

The rest of the time, you will experience child-based emotions and if you’re not experiencing child-based emotions, and you’re only experiencing adult-based emotions where you’re projecting the emotion at another adult, then you’re not actually experiencing causal emotion. You’ll be feeling like a child who’s projecting emotions at his parents if you’re feeling a causal emotion. So let’s talk about this more so we get to understand it.

13.1.1. An example of a relationship breakup

Participant Male: So on that same example about someone leaving, is it a possibility you could, in a moment, have an event where, your partner leaves, and then as you’re feeling this pain of your partner leaving, for example, which is …

Jesus: And may I suggest that if you’re feeling the pain of your partner leaving, which most people do, they are just feeling their addiction not being met.

Participant Male: Exactly you go and you feel that, …

Jesus: Yes, you feel that because you still need to feel that, but you need to know that it’s because you want an addiction met.

Participant Male: Yes, so you’ve got this anger about the whole event, and so you’re crying and angry, and all that kind of …

Jesus: Angry, crying, yes.

Participant Male: But then after a while, you get to a point where you’re feeling what you did in the situation that created that event, so you get into this place of repentance.

Jesus: So you’re starting to feel some repentance, but that’s only the beginning. Because the real cause of why you did what you did was the suppression of your childhood emotions relating to women.

Participant Male: Yes, so what I was saying you’re going to this repentance place, but then all of a sudden you find yourself crying at the age of three, when your mom left you somewhere and you didn’t want to feel something, you’re just feeling like you’re three years old crying.

Jesus: Correct, so now you’re starting to get into the real cause of why you’re crying. Why this relationship break-up is making you cry. See when you were in the angry place, and the crying tantrum place, you’re not feeling any of that; you’re just feeling resentment, and all these other feelings, but they are all your desire to deny the pain from your childhood.

Participant Male: So would you say that’s a process that you probably need to go through to get to a place where you don’t have that kind of resistance anymore?

Jesus: Yes, it’s an emotional process to go through that. Now, most people never get there because most people cry in the tantrum, in the adult tantrum, but they blame the other person. You think about the average person who breaks up from a partner, they resent that person for the rest of their life. Why do they do that? Because they’ve never got beyond the desire to punish that person for their own pain, which didn’t come from that person, but rather came from their childhood.

Participant Male: And never got to that repentance.

Jesus: They never got to repentance, and they never got underneath the repentance to the forgiveness that drove their entire attraction, and their entire addiction to engage this relationship.

Participant Male: So what I’m trying to say is, does the process get like, lessened? Where you don’t have that much resistance and you get …

Jesus: Yes, when you start understanding that when you’re angry about someone in your adult life not giving what you want, and you start understanding that’s just because of your addiction. You’ve got to understand it emotionally. You’ll then start allowing yourself to feel your addictions and that’s a much better place to be – that’s a much more truthful place to be because now you’re starting to see, actually, my addictions created the relationship in the first place and my addictions were all about not wanting to feel the fears associated with grief from my childhood and then eventually you lead yourself there.

Now when you think about past relationships and break-ups from past relationships, many of you have had a taste, sometimes, of that process. Where you felt emotionally first about the actual relationship that broke up, and how angry you were with the other person, and how bitter and twisted you felt about them and you carried that on for a while, and eventually you started seeing that, maybe, you had some parts to play in that person leaving you. You get to see that the addictions that you were projecting at the other person, obviously caused certain responses in them.

Then you start going through that and then, generally, if you continue that process, as you say, you eventually start recognising, and almost emotionally go straight to the actual cause, which was something that happened in your childhood in relation …

Participant Male: You wouldn’t know really what it is …

Jesus: You don’t know what it is.

Participant Male: … you’d just be feeling like you’re three.

Jesus: Yes, you will all of a sudden be feeling like you’re three, feeling something with your mum but you have to allow that process to happen, and most people don’t. Most people, as soon as they feel any pain, want somebody to punish for their pain. So they’re not now going on that road at all; they’re not going down that track of even being self-reflective about how they, themselves, attracted the relationship and they were acting in addiction when they attracted the relationship – they’re not even going down that track. All they’re doing is going, “You left me. You shouldn’t have left me. I hate you.” And that’s what they feel for the rest of their life. So they don’t even allow themselves to go any deeper. The crying in that place is pointless and will never heal you. In fact, it can cause huge amounts of further damage to your own soul, and future relationships.

Let’s say Mary left me, and I have resentment towards Mary for leaving me. I am now angry with Mary for leaving me. This anger is projected at women. It comes from a woman, my mother, right back at the beginning. But I’m now projecting that Mary is to blame. So I’m now blaming Mary for all of this feeling that I have that I don’t want to feel, all this pain that I have that I don’t want to feel. So what do I do? I then feel angry and resentful to her for the rest of my life. I hold this resentment inside of me. Now the next relationship that comes along, what’s that woman going to have to do?

Participant Male: Feel all that rage and …

Jesus: She’s going to feel all this rage coming out of me towards women and before we can even have a relationship, she’s going to have to pander to it somehow because if she doesn’t, we’re not going to even have a relationship. So she’s going to have to feed this addiction further. I’ve not only damaged Mary in the process, but I’m now damaging my own soul further by holding on to the resentment, and then projecting more damage at another person, and more addictions at the next person who comes into my life, so that they meet my addictions. I have now damaged my soul further.

Participant Male: It’s most likely that that relationship will end as well …

Jesus: Of course because every addiction relationship generally ends, unless you tolerate the addiction for as long as possible – now, when I say as long as possible – most people on Earth tolerate it for seventy or eighty years. However when they arrive in the spirit world, they finish up ending the relationship and they go through exactly the same emotion as everybody else does and it’s this process that we go through all the time.

If we don’t address it here on Earth, we’ll have to address it in the spirit world because it was an addictive relationship it will break down. It doesn’t even matter if the addiction relationship is with my soulmate. The addiction relationship will break down; it has to; before we can grow in love, it must break down and I can then re-establish the relationship, if it’s with my soulmate, even if that person is the same person, but now without addiction in play.

But because I have the addiction, and I’m projecting this addiction at another person, I am choosing, through this addiction, to damage the other person, therefore also to damage myself further and I’m also doing it to avoid my pain from my childhood, which was the reason why I wanted this addiction met in the first place.

Participant Male: And in that place, you’re probably creating a lot of physical damage anyway to yourself.

Jesus: You’re creating physical damage to yourself; your own body is starting to shut down. This is why cancer is on the rise, because that’s a lot of passive-aggressive addictions and that’s why it’s constantly on the rise in relationships, and so forth. Many of these physical illnesses are the complete result of the shutting down of all of these kinds of emotions. So it’s a very important thing to understand.

These trapped emotions are at an age, whenever they occurred, and there are two events that can occur – where somebody else did something to you, the emotion will be trapped, and when you did something out of harmony with love to somebody else, the emotion will be trapped at that age. It will be trapped at the age that those events occurred then when they were suppressed.

13.2. Repentance and forgiveness with parents

13.2.1. An example of interacting with a father who’s dying

Participant Female: AJ, what about our adult interactions with our parents, when we then become perpetrators to them? I was caring for my dad recently, he passed with cancer, and I just wanted his approval, and I realised there was a lot of addiction in me caring for him. So I would have things to repent from then, as well?

Jesus: You see this is very interesting because while that is true, who created this addiction in you in the first place?

Participant Female: Well, both my parents.

Jesus: Yes, but if the addiction exists with your dad, who created the addiction primarily?

Participant Female: Yes, my dad.

Jesus: Your dad: so yes, you will have to repent any bad behaviour you had with your dad that was unloving, but at the end of the day, who’s got more responsibility for it occurring?

Participant Female: My dad.

Jesus: Your dad, because he created it.

Participant Female: So part of repentance definitely is that forgiveness. You can’t repent without being willing to feel why you did it.

Jesus: Willing to feel why.

Participant Female: Why you did that unloving action. Yes.

Jesus: True, you can’t repent without that and once you get into the why, you’ll realise it’s not something that you really wanted to do, it’s something that your dad wanted you to do and then you’ll have to go through the process of forgiveness of your dad. So in other words, it will take you away from blaming yourself, and into seeing the true cause if you follow that rabbit down the hole; it will take you into the true cause but most people don’t want to face that.

Particularly if their father is dying, it’s like they have all these guilt feelings that maybe any pain that daddy has is my fault. And when you try to raise an emotional issue with dad when he’s dying, he gets all resistive and everything, gets angry, and says, “Can’t you see I’m dying, leave me alone.”

Participant Female: And everyone else around you shuts you down.

Jesus: Everybody else around says shut up.

Participant Female: Don’t upset him.

Jesus: Yes, don’t upset him.

Participant Female: Don’t speak truth to him.

Jesus: No, upset him. Upset him. I’m not saying you purposely would do so. You need to just tell the truth. It will upset him.

Participant Female: But the last time I saw him before he died I did.

Jesus: Yes.

Participant Female: And it really upset him.

Jesus: Good. Because it means that he’s going to have to work through something, he’s going to have to respond to it. I’m not saying you did it to upset him, I’m just saying it’s going to upset him.

Participant Female: No, I didn’t; I was just speaking truth.

Jesus: And you don’t need to feel guilty at all about speaking truth, ever but we often do, because they taught us to. Your daddy taught you to feel guilty whenever you made him upset. That’s why you had the addiction to please him. You see eventually, you follow that down and you get to that emotion, the childlike emotion of yes daddy wanted me to do this and when I didn’t do it, he punished me or he belittled me or he humiliated me or he disapproved of me or he told me off or he was angry with me or whatever.

Participant Female: All of the above.

Jesus: All of the above: then you start to feel who was actually responsible for the emotion that’s now in you. So all of the things you did to other people to get this addiction met are your creation but all of the things you did to your dad to get this addiction met, mostly were his creation.

Participant Female: Particularly if I’m not doing it consciously to hurt him, like, I’m not setting out to murder him or something.

Jesus: Even that is his creation. I’m not justifying the behaviour because that would be unloving for you to justify such behaviour, but it is actually his creation. You wouldn’t be doing it if you hadn’t been hurt from him in the first place. Of course, there is also the suppression on your own pain, which is an aspect of why you want to hurt him. You’re unwilling to feel your own pain without involving your dad, so you want to hurt him. Well that’s unloving, being unwilling to feel your own pain is unloving.

But the whole reason why the addiction was in you in the first place is because your dad was unwilling to feel his own pain and he projected all that pain on you. So I’m not justifying your response to shut down your pain. What I’m stating, quite clearly though, is that your father is very much responsible for the addiction he created in you that you now have towards all men, and still have towards your father the most.

So you can’t say that you are to blame for this addiction you have with your father, because you’re not. You’re only to blame for the things that you choose to not feel with regard to your pain about it. Do you see the difference? So you are responsible for the fact that you chose to not feel your pain and then take unloving actions out on other men – you’re responsible for that. But you’re not responsible for the fact that the addiction is there and was created by another man, your dad; you’re only responsible to feel the pain that’s underneath it to let it go, because only you can do that.

See often in these kinds of relationships we get into guilt, and guilt prevents us from really acknowledging the truth of these relationships. Any emotion you have towards your father, justified or not, is the result of his addiction with you.

Participant Female: Even if it’s covert?

Jesus: Of course if it’s covert, it’s even worse; it makes it harder to release. Now the only time when you are responsible for your treatment of your father now is when you chose to ignore your pain with your father, and instead tried to get something met from him. Now there is a degree of your own responsibility and when I say a degree, it’s a very small degree, really, because in the end he was the person who created the addiction.

Participant Female: So that’s not the thing to focus on, really; that would be a path of self-deception.

Jesus: Once you become emotionally aware you’ll go through these emotions quite seamlessly and you’ll realise what’s going on. You’ll have not only the light bulb moments, but you’ll have a lot of grief associated with them regarding the real relationship. The fact is you are not to blame for your father’s creation of an addiction that he wanted you to meet. He wanted you to meet it; otherwise it would never have been created. He or your mother, wanted men to meet that, one of the two of them: they created it. The only responsibility you bear is when you’re unwilling to feel your own pain, you will perpetrate further addictions towards others.

Participant Female: And I especially did that in my last marriage.

Jesus: Yes. And that’s what will normally occur when you’re trying to avoid the pain of the creation in your childhood that was created by the environment you lived in.

13.3. Repentance and forgiveness with children

Participant Female: Perhaps tomorrow I could ask you about that in relationship to children, as well.

Jesus: Sure.

Participant Female: Perpetrating things on our children.

Jesus: Yes, this is one of the major damages we do to our own children. What we do is we deny our childhood experience emotionally. We set up addictions in our adult life. Often our partner doesn’t meet those addictions. We give birth to a son or a daughter, and we train that child to meet our addiction.

This is where we cause a lot of damage to our children. We’re actually training our children to meet our addictions and whenever they don’t meet our addictions, we verbally abuse them, we berate them, we humiliate them, we sometimes violently punish them, we restrict them. We do all sorts of things to train them to meet our addiction and when they meet our addiction we give them all this positive reinforcement, oh it’s wonderful, you’re so nice to mummy, or daddy or whatever and we give them all this positive reinforcement so by the time they have become an adult, we’ve done the same to them as what our parents, usually, did to us.

This is why a lot of us are very resistive to dealing with parent-based emotions because many of us become parents who have now done the same thing to our own children and so we go, “Oh, you’ve just got to get over it. It’s what happens in every family. You’ve just got to get over it.” And this is our way of avoiding this terrible cycle of damage.

We need to stop doing that if anything is going to change; we need to stop doing that. We need to see that the choices our parents made caused the damage in our childhood experience. Our suppression and their suppression of our childhood experience caused us to act in addiction. Our decision to avoid our own pain by getting our addictions met caused us to take actions towards other adults and children, which now damaged them.

At some point we are going to have to stop this cycle and that’s going to mean being honest about what happened to ourselves as a child, and being honest about our own addictions that we are now trying to meet through our own children or through other adults that we meet in our life. We’re going to have to be honest about those particular things.

13.4. An example of a participant experiencing her mother’s emotions about her father

Participant Female: Most often when I start having a feeling in the present of feeling ignored or unwanted, particularly by males, and I start crying about it, I instantly go to a particular age, and it’s always, like, I’m pretty young, in my bedroom, about my dad completely ignoring me. But I’m just feeling I’m probably actually crying about that addiction not getting met, because I didn’t cry when I was that age …

Jesus: No, you didn’t cry when you were that age and you weren’t suppressed from feeling that feeling when you were that age, so who’s emotion is it most likely? It’s not your dad’s.

Participant Female: So I’m not going near my real grief.

Jesus: Can I at least state further whose emotion it is, and then we’ll talk about where you’re not going? It’s your mum’s emotion towards your dad. You think of your mother and you dad’s relationship; what’s her emotion towards your father?

Participant Female: Resentment.

Jesus: Resentment, disapproval. She believes he should be making her safe and secure and he isn’t. What else; he doesn’t engage her?

Participant Female: No.

Jesus: She feels resentful. So she’s projecting all of this stuff of rejection, she’s feeling rejected, but in a rage about it, projecting it at her husband. You’re born. What are you feeling?

Participant Female: All those feelings towards my father.

Jesus: Correct and you can’t stop them from entering you. So now you start acting out with your father exactly what his wife is avoiding.

Participant Female: And that’s why I would sit in my room, feeling is he ever going to come in my room, these kind of resentful feelings.

Jesus: Yes. Why would a child ever feel that? It’s only coming from some other person’s emotion.

Participant Female: So when you say it goes back to an age, what happens if it’s already in the soul in incarnation?

Jesus: Then you’ll go back to that age. You won’t have an age, you don’t have a conscious age associated with it. You’ll just cry and you won’t even know what it’s about and that’s okay. But it will release if you let it and that’s okay too, that you don’t even have an intellectual awareness of what’s really about. Things will change around you and then you’ll know, “Oh wow, I’ve dealt with this feeling with my dad because I cried about my mum and the feelings I got from my mum.”

Participant Female: So when that used to happen, sometimes I don’t know where my mother ends and where I start.

Jesus: You don’t, because you’re totally open to everything your mother projects at you. You don’t know where your mother ends and you begin. Right at the moment you don’t know. She berates you, treats you badly, and you accept most of the bad treatment. Isn’t that not true? You’ve had attempts to try to stop her, but there’s still the emotion in you that you’ve done something wrong. This is the emotion she created in you. We can talk more tomorrow about these personal things.

But what I’m trying to illustrate is that sometimes you think you’re crying about something’s that’s got nothing to do with these things. This is where the intellectual analysis is not working and the reason why it’s not working is because you’re not allowing yourself to truly feel what you really feel.

You are petrified of your mother. You are not petrified of your father. Is that not true?

Participant Female: It’s true.

Jesus: Okay, so any emotion you’re crying about with your dad is highly likely to be about your mum, whom you’re petrified of and if it’s something you’re repeating over and over with nothing being cleared, you know that it’s the wrong thing. It’s the wrong thing because no change is occurring and if no change is occurring, it’s not the right emotion.

13.4.1. Avoiding emotions about a terrifying mother

Participant Female: So the emotion is I just want her approval?

Jesus: Well yes, not only her approval. She was jealous of you, she was angry with you, she was violent with you, she was abusive towards you, and there’s a whole lot of things there that you don’t want to feel about that and as a result of that, you have an internal preference of feeling emotions about your dad so that you don’t have to feel emotions about your mum. That’s what’s causing you to stay stuck because you’re not understanding who did what emotionally, who did what. You prefer to feel that your dad did something that he didn’t do, because you don’t want to feel that it all came from your mum in the first place. You know what she’s going to be like if you actually said anything about this. What’s she like? When you just say one thing about one emotion?

Participant Female: Well I haven’t communicated with her for ten months because she just basically said that I’m insane; I need mental health.

Jesus: Of course. You know what she’s like. She’s just going to blame you. She’s going to tell you it’s all your fault, that it’s all your problem, that you’re crazy, you’re an idiot, who you’re listening to are crazy and idiots as well. She’s going to tell you all of that – why? Because that’s what she’s always told you. She’s not going to change overnight from that position and you feel terrified of her. Is that not true? Terrified of her. But you’re not terrified of your dad. That’s why you’re not feeling your emotions with your mum, because you first need to go through the terror, the terror associated with your mum and the terror is locked up at young ages. You’re terrified of her. You weren’t terrified of your dad at young ages; you’re terrified of your mum.

Participant Female: She bragged about terrifying me in the high chair when she used to feed me.

Jesus: Yes, she loved terrifying you. She has this addiction to terrifying somebody else so that she can feel powerful and in control. So that she cannot feel her own fear. She liked the fact that she had a child that she could terrify.

Participant Female: She took photos of me terrified.

Jesus: Like how vindictive is that? But that’s what she was like. That’s the emotion that’s really locked up in there that you are too frightened to feel at this point, because you don’t want to feel your fear. You need to let some of this fear go with your mum, and then you’ll start feeling how bad her treatment of you was, and then you’ll be able to start healing it.

You’ll start crying about things about rejection and other things from males, and you’ll find a lot of it might not even be about males. It’ll be about your mum’s feelings that she had that men always reject you, that men are bastards, that men need to be controlled and manipulated, they need to be told what to do, they need to make you feel safe and secure as a woman, and all of these false beliefs that came from her. They came into you, not from your father’s treatment of you like that, but rather from your mother’s belief systems that entered you emotionally and you are open to the entering of them emotionally, and still are open, actually, to her beliefs entering you emotionally.

Participant Female: Thank you.

Jesus: Again you can see the illustration is a lot of the times we prefer emotions because they are easier than the ones that we really need to feel, which is the pain. Every time we don’t feel the causal pain, we start to project things on to others.

What you’ve done in your relationship with your boyfriend Fab is you project on him that he’s got to make you feel safe, he’s got to make you feel secure, you compete with him a bit. You do all of the things your mum has done with your dad and that’s what you need to repent for. If you repented for that, you could follow it down into who caused it and you’ll see that it wasn’t your dad that caused it, it was mostly your mum that caused a lot of these things. Do you see the difference? If you followed that down, you would find that.

13.5. Repentance and forgiveness emotions are trapped at an age

Participant Male: Just to clear something up, forgiveness is trapped at an age, and then you said that repentance is trapped at an age.

Jesus: Yes.

Participant Male: Does that usually occur young, or as an adult?

Jesus: No, because when you’re very, very young, it’s rare that you took actions that were out of harmony with love unless they were motivated by your parents’ choices and decisions.

Participant Male: Or probably someone else coaxing you to do it?

Jesus: Correct, but as you grew into your will, a stronger expression of your will, you started to take actions based on your feelings about what you wanted to do. So most repentance emotions are actually not childlike in their experience. They are adult emotions.

Participant Male: They feel like that, don’t they? They’re like at eight, ten, twelve.

Repentance and forgiveness emotions are trapped at the age they were suppressed

Jesus: Yes they’ll feel a lot older ages, like usually after seven. Sometimes before, depending on how serious the abuse from parents was, but a lot of times after and if you’re feeling forgiveness emotions as an adult towards your parents, it’s highly unlikely that you’re actually facing the truth about your relationship with your parents.

Participant Male: Can you explain that a bit more?

Jesus: Well, most forgiveness emotions relating to your parents happened when you were a child. So if you’re feeling them like an adult feels them, and you feel the age of it is an adult age, then you’re probably feeling exactly the opposite emotion that you need to feel. Why do we want to do that? Because we still want the approval of our parents, so we’re willing to blame ourselves and repent for things that we do not need to repent for but doing that doesn’t make any emotional progression. It doesn’t break any emotional errors because it’s error that we’re still feeling. We’re not actually feeling the truth.

The truth is that most of the damage that we need to feel about happened during our childhood, and therefore we’re going to have to forgive others for causing it and most of the damage we’ve done to ourselves occurred after we’ve become teenagers generally, and those are the things that we’re going to need to learn to repent for.

Most of the repentance things that we need to repent for are related to the things we didn’t forgive. In other words, they are related to the things we refused to feel about or we weren’t allowed to feel about, which is probably more the case, from our childhood.

Now God attributes the things that you chose to do with your own will to you and God attributes the things you chose to do because of forgiveness issues to the will of others. The laws automatically work perfectly and you don’t have to worry about that; all you need to be concerned about is allowing yourself to forgive where others have done hurt and damage to you, and allowing yourself to repent where you have actually done harm to others and most of the harm you did to others did not occur in your childhood.

Most of the emotion that you feel as a child, that’s locked up inside of you now, is not related to things you need to repent for, it’s related to things you need to forgive. So therefore if you’re trying to feel that you were a bad child, and your mum and dad were just driven nuts by you being a bad child, then you’re way off beam when it comes to progressing emotionally because you weren’t a bad child. Nobody was. There were things that happened to you that were then suppressed and then you acted out, and also your parents’ emotions you acted out. Now that all occurred because of the parents, not because of you. So this is where I see a lot of people getting really mixed up.

Participant Male: This is great.

[*13.6. Effects of giving children unrestrained will on repentance and forgiveness *]

Mary: I’m fascinated by something I see quite commonly now is parents raise their children with almost an unrestrained will, in that the child is given a lot of will very early. And I can see that because there’s no consequence, that’s damaging the child with respect to them understanding their will.

Jesus: It’s totally damaging them, yes.

Mary: I think it’s fascinating the idea of forgiveness and repentance in that continuum, because will is enabled much earlier, but without good understanding of what will entails. So the Laws of Cause and Effect are not even reflected even in a minimal way by a parent. In fact they’re negated.

Jesus: They’re negated purposefully, so a parent who does not provide a framework of discipline or law for their child is negating all of God’s Laws purposefully, in order to allay some of their own addictions with their child. In other words the parent is trying to avoid how they were treated as a child, and what they do instead is they say, “Okay, my parents were too hard on me. My parents were too controlling. I don’t believe in that anymore. So what I’m going to do is provide no framework, no law for my children, and hopeful they’ll grow up to be lovely people, without pain.” And it doesn’t work, as everybody who tries that knows, but that is damage that the parent has done to the child in order to avoid, and in order to act out their own addictions, which are avoiding their own fears related to their own childhood.

Mary: It seems to me for that child, it’s a very difficult injury to work through.

Jesus: It is, because the childlike experience is going to have experiences of anger and rage towards their parents, but they’ll feel them like a child; they won’t feel them as an adult. If you’re trying to feel that as an adult, again you’ll be on the wrong track; you need to feel them as a child. Because there were all these addictions created in the child for which there were expectations that were created as a child and those were suppressed, many of the times, or fed, and that’s where the damage is. So that’s what the person, as an adult now, is going to have to feel – the damage that was done to them as a child just getting whatever they wanted.

Mary: But in that case there’s no suppression of a negative emotion. There’s the development of a lack of conscience.

Jesus: No, there is the suppression of a negative emotion. The suppression of the negative emotion is the parent’s suppression of their own fear about their own childhood.

Mary: Oh, okay, yes.

Jesus: So that’s what the child is going to have to feel at some point – forgiving the parent for the fact that the parent did not feel their own pain from childhood.

Mary: Yes, but as an adult, they have to deal with the fact that they’re addicted to getting whatever they want.

Jesus: Correct and that they’re probably acting out in addictive ways. Usually what will happen with such a person is that there will be a long list of things they have to repent for and very little they have to forgive. So this is why it’s hard for children who grow up unrestrained, without any formulation of the law regarding their own will, because what they do is that by the time they’re four or five, six or seven years of age, they’re already hurting other people.

So once they come to accept the truth about God’s Laws of Love and so forth, they are going to find they’re going to have a lot of repentance and very little forgiveness. They’ll want the opposite. They’ll believe that they need to forgive everyone around them for not giving them what they want. That’s what they’ll believe but the reality will be completely the opposite.

A child who has grown up in that environment will have a lot to repent for because they have been taught that they can just take, take, take from anybody and abuse everybody in the process, and that’s all okay. So they’ll have childlike feelings of repentance to go through.

They’ll remember events like when they were four when they bashed the next door neighbour’s kid up. When they were five and they sexually abused their neighbour’s three year old. When they were seven they did this, and when they were eight they did that. They’ll have all sorts of repentance to feel because they believed that all of those actions were their right to take and that’s the error.

There’s still repentance and forgiveness, it’s just for such a child the repentance emotions will start much younger and it’s hard, it’s a very hard thing to process the way through. This generation we’re in right now is a very damaged childhood generation, because many of them have been given an unrestricted use of their will, and as a result they are going to have to deal with repentance from a very young age.

When I say a very young age, they’ll be four, five, six years of age and they were already doing things using their own will because they believed they could get away with it; they believed that there was no law controlling them, and so forth.

13.6.1. Repentance, forgiveness and free will

Mary: And so to me, correct me here, forgiveness and repentance is very much another way that we come to understand the dynamics of our will, in that a lot of times, when we have a lot to forgive, it’s where our will has been suppressed, and when we have to repent it’s when we have to understand the workings of our will and the impact that it has.

Jesus: Let’s say it properly. With forgiveness, it’s where our will has been suppressed. When there’s repentance, it’s where our will has been unrestrained, out of harmony with law, out of harmony with God’s Law of Love. So repentance stuff is where we have been unrestrained by considerations of love.

Repentance is required when will has been unrestrained, out of harmony with love, whereas forgiveness is required when our will is suppressed

Mary: So it seems to me that all of us are grappling on the Earth with a good understanding of what our will is, in and out of harmony with love. So as someone who’s been very suppressed in their childhood, I grapple with enabling my will, because I’m full of fear and what’s going to happen and the repercussions, judgement and all of that. For someone who has had this sort of hands off kind of parenting – it’s not even hands off its saying, “You can do whatever you want and I will negate the effects of that.”

Jesus: Yes, and obviously for a lot of those kinds of parents, by the time the child is five or six, they’re so unruly by then that the parent is starting to try to reverse the process, often without success, because they’ve already learned the unrestrained use of their will by that stage.

When our will is suppressed, they are the relationships we need to forgive and when our will is unrestrained, where we have done things towards other people where we’ve been unrestrained by conditioning, by thinking or considering love, then we’re going to need to repent for those actions.

If a child has been unrestrained at four years of age, and has exercised its developing will to do whatever it wants, which of course is at the approval of its parent, because the parent is going, “I’m going to let you do what you want,” so it’s at the approval of the parent, then both the parent and the child bear the responsibility for the child’s actions. That makes sense, does it not?

The child has not yet got a formulated, proper brain functioning; they’ve not got a formulated body yet; their emotions are still undetermined; they still don’t understand emotions as well as they could. So it makes sense that if the parent is basically saying to the child, “You can do whatever you want,” when the child is four years of age, then the parent bears a large degree of responsibility for what happened to the child when it was four years of age. When that child damaged other children at four years of age, then the parent bears a large responsibility for that action, which makes sense.

This is why when I often get asked, “What damage, from God’s perspective, does God need to forgive or provide forgiveness for?” we can’t answer definitely in each case because there are so many factors that have determined the actual use of that child’s will at the age of four. This is what we need to consider.

What we’re trying to get at in this section is if we’re going to come to understand our emotional self, we must understand that there are emotions trapped at certain ages and there are two types of emotions trapped. One type of emotion is where our will was suppressed, where someone acted unlovingly towards us and suppressed our will to release the emotion or damage that was caused by their actions.

The other type of emotion is when we acted in an unrestrained way with regard to love, so in other words when we were not loving towards others, where we damaged the will of others, where we restrained the will of others, in an unloving manner and they are the things we are going to need to repent for. Each of these emotions, whether they’re forgiveness emotions or repentance emotions, will be locked up at the age in which either the damage was done to us, or we did the damage to others.

13.7. Repentance and forgiveness emotions are trapped at an age (continued)

Jesus: We’re going to talk a lot more about this in the Assistance Groups, which will all be recorded anyway if you’re not coming, so you’ll be able to get more information about all of that but what I’m trying to point out here is there are trapped emotions. Trapped emotions are at a certain age; most of your forgiveness-based trapped emotions are all going to be at a young age, where you need to forgive someone else for that they did to you. Most of your repentance-based emotions are going to be at older ages, where you chose, through the exercise of your will, to do something to somebody else that was out of harmony with love.

13.7.1. An example of repenting for addictive partner relationships

Jesus: What I see happening for many people is they try to forgive their partner for what they did. Like you attracted your partner to give you exactly what you wanted to demand from your addictions. How can you then blame them when they don’t do that? It’s not loving, the projection at your partner.

This is where a lot of people crying about something that somebody else around them, as an adult has not given them, and they say, “Oh, this is because my daddy didn’t love me and he didn’t give me the things that I needed.” No, it’s not. It’s not because of that. It’s because you demand that a man does this for you. That’s why you’re having a good cry and you’re not releasing any emotion when you do that.

We’ve got to be realistic about what’s actually being released. You see most people are unwilling to be truthful with themselves about what is actually going on. That’s the problem. The reality is that all of you would know what I’m saying to you if you were truthful about what was going on already. You would already know this because you can feel it so strongly when you go through it all but most of us don’t know all of this because we don’t allow ourselves to feel the actual causal emotion.

What we’re doing is we’re projecting at the relationship that we need to be repentant for, we’re projecting that we need to forgive them. We’re projecting at them that they’re the ones that have done the problem, that they’re the ones that did the damage.

When I’m in a relationship let’s say with Mary, she leaves me and I’m crying because Mary’s left me, and I’m angry with Mary because she’s left me. What am I doing is I’m blaming Mary for what I created in my attraction of Mary, which was all based around a suppression of my pain from my childhood experience. That’s what I’m doing. The more I blame her, the more damage I’m doing to her and my own soul. You’re going to stay in those kinds if emotions for a long time if you’re not careful. No real improvement with your emotional self can ever occur while you stay in those emotions.

13.7.2. An example of parents’ attitudes towards adult children

Jesus: I see a lot of parents projecting these kinds of emotions at their adult children: so the parent and the child have now grown up, the child’s in their twenties or thirties, and the parent is in their fifties or sixties let’s say and the parent is projecting at the child, “You need to be sorry towards me for what you are now doing to me.” Come on, who created the addiction in the child? You, the parent: how can you then ask the child to be sorry for what you created? That’s way out of harmony with love, and way out of harmony with personal responsibility. You can only ask the child to forgive you for what you created from God’s perspective. You can only ask the child to forgive you for what you created in the child.

When that child goes off and gets drunk every second night, and goes and takes drugs every third night, and you’ve got to rescue him from the police station every fourth night because of all the things that he’s doing, the main reason why he’s doing all of these things is because you have not repented yet. Once you repent, fully repent for your actions, he’s going to feel alleviated of many of the emotional burdens that he’s under, and he will go through the process eventually of forgiving you, and then he won’t do all those damaging things to you but if you think he should be forgiven by you, then you’re way out of line.

13.8. Summary of the discussion about forgiveness and repentance

Jesus: This is where I find a lot of people are very mixed up when it comes to dealing with their emotions: they are blaming people for what is not to blame of that other person, and then they blame themselves for something that is not their blame, but rather something that somebody else did to them.

I see a lot of people punishing themselves for things they never did and I also see a lot of people punishing others for things they didn’t do, and then calling that emotional processing. That’s not emotional processing, that’s living in addiction. It’s not emotional processing – you cannot progress that way, you’ll never get closer to God that way. You can only get closer to God by confronting your addictions, confronting the fears that are underneath them, forgiving the people that need to be forgiven, and repenting toward the people that you need to repent toward because you did the wrong thing with them. That’s the only way you’re going to progress.

If you are in a child-like state, five years of age, feeling that you did the wrong thing by daddy, that’s not the emotion you need to feel; it’s daddy who did the wrong thing by you. That’s what you need to feel. But if you are an adult projecting at your child that they did the wrong thing by you, that’s not the emotion you need to feel. You did the wrong thing by them; you created their addictions; you did the wrong thing by them. That’s what you need to feel.

That’s point number one that I wanted to discuss. Pretty important point, though. When you understand this point, and probably what we’ll do is we’ll leave the second point, which is all about the use of your will, to tomorrow. So the first hour or so of tomorrow we’ll talk about the use of your will. You can see here, the use of your will is a very big part of what kind of emotions you need to forgive, and what kind of emotions you need to repent for. And the exercise of the will has a big bearing on those emotions and this is the case with what we want to go through tomorrow with you as well, just a brief discussion about the use of your will in a positive direction in order to understand your emotional self.

But the main thing probably I’d like for you to take home from today, this consideration of what is the source of the true types of emotions that you need to experience, and what age they occurred is very, very important to you to determine whether you’ve actually worked through anything or not.

Participant Female: I found that when I am connecting to some grief, that then it seems naturally I become aware of the repentance of what I’ve done then as a result of that to others.

Jesus: Yes that’s true.

Participant Female: That often just naturally happens.

Jesus: It does naturally happen. If you allow this process right the way through to the end, a lot of these things will naturally occur and this is what I’m suggesting to you is that many of you have not followed this process right to the end, and that’s why you didn’t know this because when you follow the process right to the end, you automatically know this.

I feel quite strongly that the majority of people who hear Divine Truth do not understand that processing any emotion is not going to lead to your progress. You’ve got to process the emotions that are truthful – that’s what will lead to your progress. You can process self-delusion and self-deception emotions, you can convince yourself that you need to repent towards mummy and daddy, and that you need to forgive other people in your adult life but the reality is that it can be completely the opposite to that, and unless you know it’s opposite of that, then you will never progress. So it’s very important for you to understand these principles.

13.9. An example of a participant who is confronted by the material

Participant Female: Just in regards to this, I’m just wondering if I should just go home and reflect on it and ask you tomorrow instead.

Jesus: That’s okay, if you want to do that, but what were you thinking?

Participant Female: Well, I feel worried.

Jesus: Why?

Participant Female: Because, well, I over-think everything.

Jesus: Yes, see worry is fear, so what’s the fear?

Participant Female: So I’m afraid that I’m just never getting there.

Jesus: But is that true? Let’s look at your life.

Participant Female: No, but when you talk about this age thing, I don’t have any of these like concrete things. Like my life is changed on stuff, and I feel different about some things, and not necessarily saying causally I’ve got through everything. I can see things better …

13.9.1. Stages in emotional progression

Jesus: Can I suggest this – many of you are going through breaking down your belief systems about your emotions. There are very few causal changes in your life that will occur while you’re going through that process. It doesn’t mean that you haven’t made progress, because you are now more sensitive emotionally than you were before. You are now more aware of the damage your dad and your mum have done to you than you have before. So therefore you have made progress.

Participant Female: Yes and that’s the thing, I’m feeling at the moment this other stuff. So I don’t understand this bit yet.

Jesus: Yes, that’s okay. You’re feeling all that and that’s fine, let yourself go through all of that. However, there’s one thing that I must point out – don’t be surprised that you actually start feeling some emotions with certain ages attached to them.

Participant Female: Okay.

Jesus: Once you go through breaking down all of these barriers to feeling your emotions, which is what has been, for the majority of you, what has been the journey of the last five years. Breaking down the addictions that you have, the self-delusion that you have about crying about things that are just you crying because you’re in a tantrum, getting upset because you’re in a tantrum, getting upset because somebody didn’t meet your demands and your expectations. You think about how much of that you’ve been processing, which is quite a lot, so you’ve gone through all of that. Well, you start going through all of that, and in your case, starting to come face-to-face with the damage your family has done to you. Is that not true?

Participant Female: Yes.

Jesus: But, you’re yet to feel it.

Participant Female: Yes, I agree with that.

Jesus: When you feel it, you’ll feel the age of it.

Participant Female: Awesome.

Jesus: When you feel it, you’ll feel the age of it. But don’t assume that just because you have done all of this work, to get to the point where you are now, that that means that you’ve progressed hugely, because you can see that your life hasn’t changed very much during that process, and the reason why your life hasn’t changed very much during that progress is because you’re yet to go through the emotions that will actually change you. When you go through the emotions that actually change you, you will feel the age of them …

Participant Female: … then I’ll feel what it’s actually about.

Jesus: And you will feel what it’s actually about, and you will see your Law of Attraction change instantly. What you attract in your soul will change instantly once you go through those particular emotions and the only reason why it’s been hard up to now, is for many of you you’ve been deconstructing all of your addictions, all of your false beliefs, and you have yet to get to the emotion what will free you, and also yet to feel the terror that you feel. Many of you are yet to do that.

Once you feel the terror you actually feel, you’ll feel relieved of the terror, you’ll feel less inclined to resist your emotions, and in fact you’ll get to have a desire for them and then in addition to that you’ll start to experience some of them and when you experience some of them, you’ll experience the age at which they occurred.

Participant Female: Yes, thank you.

Jesus: What I notice a lot of times when I share something that’s new for you is that you then judge what you’ve done up till now. What many of you have done up until now is you’ve learned that some of the emotions have been processed in your addictions and you’ve learned now that that kind of processing doesn’t do anything, haven’t you? Nothing’s changed in your life. Nothing’s got better. So that kind of processing doesn’t do anything. It’s just you acting out your addictions.

What I’m trying to explain to you is why those things haven’t worked and that’s all about being addicted to have other people repent for what you think they did to you, when actually you’re doing things to them. Then some people, your parents, want you to repent to them for what they actually did to you and of course, while you have those beliefs, no true emotional processing can actually occur.

Now, I’ve had to learn all of that through my own personal emotional experience. For many of you you’re yet to go through the personal emotional experience of feeling the childhood-based emotions, and so of course, you haven’t learnt that yet and that’s okay. Give yourself a break, but learn it.

Honestly there are millions of psychologists on this planet who don’t understand what I discussed with you just now because they keep advising that you’ve got to forgive your parents, without actually going through the emotions about it. They keep advising that you’re allowed to have expectations in your current relationships, when from God’s perspective that’s not true. If you love somebody you wouldn’t have them.

They advise all this stuff that’s completely false, all because they don’t understand these basic principles, what I feel are basic principles, that once you go through the emotions you’ll understand and that indicates that most psychologists and psychiatrists haven’t gone through their emotions and, of course, they have not. That’s why many of them became psychologists and psychiatrists; so that they could help other people avoid their emotions just as much as they do. I’m not saying that’s the same for all of them, I’m just saying that that’s why many of them have become such.

We’ve got to make sure that we understand what’s going on, even from an intellectual concept. If we can begin to intellectually conceive that, “Oh, okay, I can see now. I’m trying to get such and such, my partner, to be sorry for what she did to me, when really I created the addiction with her in the first place. How fair is that?” I need to go deeper than this and find out what addiction I had that caused me to have that desire with her, and what I need to heal inside of myself that’s relating to my family in order to heal this relationship that I currently have.

13.9.2. Emotional reasons for the participant judging herself when she receives new truth

Jesus: Don’t now go into the state where you go, “Oh, I haven’t done anything then,” which you are apt to do.

Participant Female: I do, I’m get freaked.

Jesus: You do. Why do you do this?

Participant Female: I think it’s again parental approval.

Jesus: Yes, your parents taught you to do this.

Participant Female: It just sucks though.

Jesus: Yes it does; it does suck. They taught you to go, “Oh you haven’t done anything good.” They taught you to have this feeling. Now, that is just another one of the things that you are going to need to forgive them for, which means you are going to have to feel that they did the wrong thing with you teaching you this; not that you are to blame, but rather that they caused you to believe that you are to blame when you were not. That’s the real emotion to feel. They attacked you when you did not deserve it. Not the other way around.

Participant Female: But they wanted me to think it was the other way around?

Jesus: Of course, because why does a parent want the child to believe that the child deserved it?

Participant Female: Well then you’ll always do what they want, and just try and please them all the time.

Jesus: Not only that, the parent can then belt the child or berate the child or punish the child, and feel like, “Oh, I’m still being a loving parent.” That’s what the parent can do. It gives them a justification for their own unloving behaviour to their children. That’s why they do it. They want to have a justification for unloving behaviour towards their children, because that way they can still feel like they’re a good parent even when they’re a shocking parent. That’s why they do it.

They’re not being honest with themselves: they are a shocking parent if they’ve abused their child; they’re a shocking parent if they’ve berated their child, emotionally abused their child, punished their child, been violent to the child, abused their child in any way, they’ve been a shocking parent and they need to come face-to-face with that particular issue. If they do, it will make it a lot easier for the child to forgive, but most parents don’t do that, most parents don’t do that; they justify their own unloving behaviour. They justify their treatment of the child and they believe their adult children should repent for what they’re now doing to them and it’s totally out of line. Totally out of line from God’s perspective. All of those parents never make any progression towards God; you can’t make progression towards God when you’re like that.

13.10. Compassion and understanding through forgiveness and repentance

Participant Male: So to get to the forgiveness, you have to actually go through that emotion.

Jesus: You do.

Participant Male: That’s the causal kind of emotion that you’re talking about, isn’t it?

Jesus: Yes, see in Eloisa’s (the participant’s) case, it’s not the emotion that she did something wrong, it’s the emotion that she was blamed for something that wasn’t anything that she did.

Participant Male: Yes, so if she goes to this child feeling of this emotion, she needs to experience that emotion to flow through her, and then the true forgiveness will actually happen, wouldn’t it?

Jesus: Correct.

Participant Male: Because then you’d have compassion for the parent, and maybe …

Jesus: You might not have compassion for the parent yet, because at the end of the day, how can you have compassion for something that’s wrong?

Participant Male: Yes, but you’ll sort of understand why they did that, wouldn’t you?

Jesus: Yes, you would have compassion for the error that existed in them that caused them to do such a thing but you won’t have compassion for the fact that they chose to suppress their own pain, and harmed you in the process. They chose to harm you rather than feeling their own pain. God doesn’t have compassion for that. God says that is wrong. God has compassion for things that actually you can be compassionate about, which is the fact that somebody was harmed in the first place.

We can have compassion for our parents if they were harmed in the first place, but we can’t have compassion for the fact that they chose to avoid their own harm and chose to harm us instead. That’s not very nice. That’s like me being treated as a child badly, so I grow up avoiding all that pain, and so I decide to get a child and treat them just as badly. God doesn’t have compassion for the fact that I chose to treat this child badly. God has compassion for the fact that I grew up being treated badly.

Participant Male: That’s what I sort of meant.

Jesus: Yes, so we’ve got to be careful there, too. God doesn’t have compassion for things that are wrong. God has compassion for the underlying causes, not the effects because we chose to avoid truth, and avoid love, and avoid the proper exercise of our will.

That’s why the Law of Compensation grinds you into submission, which it does. It was designed by God to grind you into submission when you are out of line with repentance and forgiveness and there’s a purpose to that. God’s saying to you, “I can’t have compassion for you until you get repented or forgiving.” Until that point in time, the law is going to grind you into submission and it makes sense. It’s the most loving possible thing God could do.

You can’t have compassion for something that is wrong; you can only have compassion for its cause. You can’t have compassion for people choosing to avoid their pain; you can’t have compassion even for that. Choosing to avoid your pain; no, how can you have compassion for that? It’s wrong. Because every time you choose to avoid your pain, you are causing pain for someone else, and that is wrong.

I can have compassion for the fact that the pain exists within you, and it wasn’t your fault that it exists within you, that somebody else put it there because they avoided their pain but it’s very hard to have compassion for something that is very, very wrong, in the sense of it’s wrong for you to choose to avoid your own pain and then damage other people as a result. That’s wrong and that’s why God’s Law, the Law of Compensations has no compassion in that circumstance.

To have compassion, you have to engage the Laws of Forgiveness and Repentance, then compassion comes. Until that point in time, the Law of Compensation operates, and that is a loving law, but it’s without compassion. When I say without compassion, it’s probably not strictly the right way of saying it. The law itself is compassionate to all involved. The Law of Compensation is a law that is compassionate to everyone involved. In other words, it doesn’t let you off the hook for what you did out of harmony with love, until such a time that you’re repentant for what you did out of harmony with love and that’s compassionate to the people you harmed, isn’t it?

Would you let somebody out of jail, a murderer, who murdered children, when you know he’s just going to go and murder some other person’s child? Of course you wouldn’t let them out of jail. You’d restrict them until such a time that they were sorry for what they did, and they were repentant for what they did, then you could let them out of jail safely because they’ll never murder again. They’ll never harm another person again. That’s the only circumstance under which you can let them off the hook and that’s how God’s compassion works and that’s all about understanding this as well.

We need to understand all of this: when we engage the Laws of Repentance and Forgiveness, which are all about love, and we need to understand the Law of Compensation is loving. It’s a loving law, because it doesn’t let a person off the hook when they are not repentant because the law knows that if you let a person off the hook when they’re not repentant, they will do it again – they will. And God doesn’t want you to, so the Law of Compensation is going to work under all of those circumstances until such a time as we’re repentant.

14. Closing words

Jesus: Anyway there’s a lot more to say about forgiveness and repentance. As you can imagine, we have much more information to share about those two principles, but we’re trying to get you sensitive to your emotions first, so that you’ll at least allow the feelings, so that you can understand these principles of truth about forgiveness and repentance. Without being emotional, you will not understand these principles. You’ll try to work out everything intellectually; nothing will gel. You won’t understand these principles emotionally at all until you understand your emotional self. Then you’ll start to grasp the principles associated with forgiveness and repentance far more deeply and understand how all the laws work together in order to create the outcome. The outcome of which is your growth in love.

Well, I think that probably finishes off for today. Tomorrow, in session 4, we’ll talk a little bit about the will, about the positive exercise of your will, and how important that is in terms of understanding your emotional self and then we’ll answer your more personal questions about understanding your personal emotional self, and how that applies to what things we’ve learnt over the last four presentations.


15. Seminar Outline

Relationship With God – Understanding Your Emotional Self S3 & S4


Subjects from previous sessions:

The way we currently live is severely out of harmony with “The Way”

Emotions are not a ‘means to an end’ but rather are the “Way” we end up living

Emotions are not a ‘process’ but rather a “Way” of life

[*Emotions and the “Way”

We must live being connected to God emotionally

We must live as an emotional being in harmony with God’s Love

[*Your attitude to emotions

We must see emotions as a “way” of life, rather than a goal

We mus t remove impediments to feeling 100% of the time

Your Attitude To Progression

Thinking Growth involves;

thinking you have dealt with something when you have not

thinking you have changed when from God’s viewpoint you have not

having intellectual realizations without accompanying emotional experiences

thinking you know things you do not feel

thinking you know things you have not experienced

thinking you are more loving without having an emotional release of unloving feelings

analysing law of attraction events with the mind without emotional understanding or connection

incorrectly identifying ‘injuries’, love, or truth, and not understanding the truth of events or your own condition

If you are thinking growth, when you are placed in a difficult situation, you will revert to your own historical unloving behaviour and feelings unless you exert an extreme force of your own will

Truly Growing involves;

becoming a complete 100% emotional being (like God)

receiving God’s Love (an emotion of God) allows transformation of your own emotion

becoming a being with emotions that are only loving

feeling and expressing feelings and emotions 100% of the time

responding to events, people and truth in an emotional way

discovering the truth of your childhood and current life through feeling emotions

understanding the world, yourself and God emotionally

allowing the release of unloving emotions without acting upon them

If you are truly growing emotionally, when you are placed in a difficult situation, you will always act in a loving manner automatically

Reminder: Being Humble Is An Emotional Process

[*Being Humble involves;

Desiring to face and feel the façade

Desiring to face and feel the addictions

Desiring to face and feel the fears

Desiring to face and feel the grief

Desiring to connect to the inner hurt (inner child’s pain)

Releasing desires for glory, attention, approval, acceptance, commiseration etc

Reminder: Truth Enters You Emotionally

Experiencing Truth involves;

Emotionally releasing FEAR (False Expectations Appearing Real)

Allowing Truth to enter your soul emotionally

Desiring Truth

Being Truthful in all of your thoughts, words and actions

Reminder: Love is an emotion

Experiencing the emotion of love;

Generates all desires

Generates all thoughts and words

Moves us to consistent action

Understanding Trapped Emotions

All trapped emotions have an age

Each time you were treated unlovingly, and then suppressed from feeling, the emotion was trapped at the age that the suppression occurred

Each time you undertook an action out of harmony with God’s Love, the compensation emotions entered you at the age the action was undertaken

Healing can only occur by feeling & experiencing these trapped emotions

Most healing emotions will feel child-like in their expression, unless they are emotions relating to using your own will unlovingly, and in those circumstances, healing emotions will only be repenting emotions.

Feeling ‘Adult’ emotions cannot heal you unless they are repenting emotions

‘Adult’ emotions are usually not healing emotions unless they involve your repentance

Unless they are repenting emotions, ‘Adult’ emotions of grief, shame, hurt, anger etc, are all created by using your will to have your addictions met, in other words they are self-deception created to avoid the childhood suppressed emotional pain.

Engaging Your Will Positively

Do I honestly from an emotional perspective wish to;

Engaging my will to be humble?

Engaging my will to receive truth

Engaging my will to receive love from God

Engaging my will to love God

Engaging my will to receive love from others

Engaging my will to love others

How would my life look if I engaged my will positively in the above areas?

Understanding Your Emotional Self (Session 4 Q&A)

Opportunity to engage questions about Understanding Your Emotional Self

Relationship with God - Understanding Your Emotional Self Session 3

Jesus describes how being emotional is not a process, but rather the destination for soul growth. Jesus describes false definitions of progression, gives indications of true progression, and explains the concept of trapped emotions and the processes of forgiveness and repentance. Document source filename: 20140524 Relationship With God - Understanding Your Emotional Self S3. This ebook is a transcript of a seminar delivered by Jesus (AJ Miller) on 25th May 2014 in Kentucky, New South Wales, Australia, as part of the Relationship with God series.

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